There’s no such thing as an “involuntary celibate”. Anyone can get laid, including so-called “incels”. They just need to lower their standards. They’re not mad because they can’t get a girl. They’re mad because they can’t get a fuckin’ beauty queen. Their celibacy is entirely self-imposed.
No, that is a problem that should probably be addressed individually, because we probably won’t invent a universal cure for unappealing entitled misogynistic asshole.
I just knew you were the kind of person to guess based on stereotypes of other cultures (please note: Japanese people are neither particularly stoic nor withdrawn; in fact, these aren’t even the usual racist stereotypes, they are just being made up for this argument). I’m actually surprised you didn’t bring up the aging demographics. An honest man might also guess about the general availability of firearms, especially since rape culture in Japan is about, give and take, as bad as our own.
So, no idea about Japanese culture, or Western culture, or spelling, at all, huh?
“right about everything”?? (emphasis mine) Oh, please. Not being totally wrong about some things that are noncontroversial does not mean being right about everything that is, or not coming to the wrong conclusion from the evidence.
The only thing to be done, is for the self proclaimed “incels” to get over it and over themselves. So life is not the way we’d like it to be? Old news.
“I believe this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before the next decade is out, to land a fully functional sexdroid on an incel and return him safely to Earth. We choose to do this not because it’s easy, but because it’s haaahhd…”
Mostly I would summarize the points I think from that page as:
- Personality matters but not not how people commonly claim.
- Autism creates a very high likelihood of men ending up alone and virgins even though autistic men want relationships as much as anyone else.
- A man’s race is very important to women eg. Asian men get 11 times fewer messages than white ones.
- Looks are more important than personality for both men and women in dating.
- Height is very important for men in dating.
- Money is somewhat important for men in dating.
- Online dating is making it easier for women to endorse their natural instinct to seek the best men.
- The top men are having more sex than ever while overall male celibacy is rising.
- Men dominate online dating platforms and the thirst is real.
I don’t think most people acknowledge in public the above points. I haven’t heard much of it except that money matters and most people know from experience that height matters. I was pretty surprised by the race studies. And it’s interesting to see these effects quantified.
Really? You can’t think of anything else at all that an incel could do to make themselves more appealing to others?
How convenient.
We vote each quarter. If your name isn’t on the “fuckable” list, you are shit outta luck.
I want to acknowledge the men of the Dope who have stepped up to give this thread all of the consideration it deserves (and sometimes more - clicking on that link is a whole other kind of selfless). Y’all rock.
I’d say it was sweet that Velocity now has someone to seriously discuss these issues with, but it’s really not. You are both fuckwits. Sod off.
Not even sure this part is true (and it’s a bit demeaning in any case).
Part of their inferiority complex is the idea that they themselves are undesirable. So, the thinking goes, anybody who would have anything to do with them is automatically undesirable themselves. It’s a nasty Catch-22 they impose on themselves.
So if you know more about Japanese culture, why have they been able to attain such a high level of celibacy in young people without any problems? Or have they experienced the same problems as the west?
I am honestly curious. I don’t know that answer. If I knew everything in life I wouldn’t be asking questions or trying to get people’s opinions.
No, there isn’t. I read five of those studies at random (I’m not going to waste any more of my time reading any more), and they don’t support the conclusion which “incels” draw about these issues. Nice try. Now I’m going to do something more productive with my time.
How do you think they think it matters?
Ok, no big surprises, but so what? What’s next?
I think that what I’m saying is that Incels are the problem, because I fucking straight up said Incels are the problem. The term is a label for a specific group and, in my opinion, should always be capitalized as such (though I’m imperfect at that myself).
The Incel hate group probably existed for a while before it decided to adopt the deliberately-deceptive label “Incel” for marketing reasons.
And from what I understand, the path to becoming an Incel is a slow one - you go there seeking support and camaraderie, and as you spend time in the group you start to adopt their ways. (This happens with all kinds of groups, not just Incels.) I also gather that as you become acclimatized to a given group’s level of Incelishness and start to reflect it in your speech and posting style, you’ll be guided to other discussions where a slightly more hardcore attitude is present. As you acclimatize to each ‘level’ you will be exposed to harsher and harsher attitudes, until you join them in spouting hatred and bitterness and calls for violence that would have repelled you when you first approached the group. You keep diving in deeper and deeper because you seek the support of the community, and the further into the community you get the more it seems that they’re the only group that supports you. (Possibly because everyone else now sees you as an asshole.)
I gather that becoming a neo-nazi works the same way - you’re mostly seeking camaraderie and brotherhood, and come away as a person who can’t find camaraderie with nonradicalized people.
You’ve utterly failed to provide evidence that “femcels” share anything with incels but the general attitude that they’re lonely and wish they were luckier in love. Most likely when they chose the appellation they had fallen for the lie that “Incel” just means involuntarily celibate, and only later learned that the term had another meaning (that they explicitly distance themselves from).
From the article linked in Post #103:
Which ones were bad/wrong?
For example, I read the one on height cutoffs:
And it was just a graphing of the data right from the research tables.
So incels as a group were created by women, and remain populated by women in female incel groups, but somehow all incels are hateful mass murdering misogynist men. LOL. That does not make any sense at all.
Here’s a guess: the Incel discussion boards are likely mostly in English, slowing the group’s spread to countries that don’t use English as a first language.
Again, celibacy isn’t actually a problem - that’s a stupid Incel lie. Normal humans can be celibate just fine without going on murder sprees. It takes a certain kind of groupthink to start idolizing murders, so without such a group the only negative societal effect of celibacy is a lowered birth rate.
Given that that’s obviously not what happened, it’s not surprising that your silly nonsense doesn’t make sense.
Back to the OP’s first question: what do we do about incels? I propose exile. Antartica maybe? The moon is an option, but there are gravity well issues that I’m not happy about. Floating city in international waters? Nations could take turns dropping off rations.
Yeah but again that doesn’t really make sense since Elliot Rodger went on his killing spree before there was even an incel forum for him to post in and Alek Minassian only referenced 4chan and 4chan was based off of an equivalent Japanese site in the first place.
So it would suggest either there’s a cultural difference as it pertains to celibacy, things are overhyped here in the west (“incel bogeymen”), or maybe Japan actually has the same problems but we don’t hear about them in the same way.
Just a skim told me that the study was specifically about speed dating.
Or maybe there’s more than a touch of media sensationalism and there isn’t as big a fucking problem as this racist bullshit you’ve got going on!