Scott Plaid, Stand Up or Shut Up

I hope that I am not included in those who want to change the board. I like it fine the way it is. It reminds me the debate club I devoted my college years to; it has a healthy dose of elitism and plain old good conversation.

I have been reading for about a year now, on and off, and Scott Plaid and I tend to frequent the same circles. I get irked seeing otherwise sane and articulate people going on tilt when he posts. I try to flow around the boulder.

Personally, I decided that in order to be able to read these boards without going looney-- I am pretty highstrung and I tend to avoid message boards because I get to feeling very strongly-- I decided that I would ignore some things. Some people’s posts I skim for my own sanity.

I am not advocating him, really, or saying to not Pit him. But I will be quiet now and let it all take its natural course. I am more concerned that his posting can raise people’s hackles so much. I like to see constructive pitting of people, maybe they will learn. If not and they get nasty, totally get on their backs. I think Scott Plaid does his job; he’s a whipping boy that everyone can rally against, regardless of religion or political affiliation.

That’s not Scott_Plaid’s job, though. It’s Liberal’s job.

Aren’t there enough of those already?

I feel sorry for the intelligent posters on the left who have to put up with Scott and the others. Seems like it wasn’t long ago that the posters on the right had more nut-jobs to reign in, but lately I think it’s the left carrying that burden.

Given that he pulls half of his posts out of his ass, I’d say the answer to that question is “no.”

Have faith. Like the lefty-loonies, the righty-nutters tend to show up in spurts, Poisson distribution and all. If the Rove-Plame connection proves out, it’ll probably trigger a decent burst of raving righties.

Personally, it’s because he insists on arguing for positions that I hold, in such a spectacularly inept and abrasive manner that it makes the entire position look bad. Reading one of his “debates” with Bricker on gay marriage is almost enough to make me donate to James Dobson. Although it is somewhat amusing to watch him act like he’s won a debate after having the shit slapped out of him rhetorically. Which, I suppose, is part and parcel of his general lack of self-awareness, as he also has no clue how poorly he communicates, and is laboring under the sad delusion that he’s funny. Add to all of that a healthy dose of wide-spectrum religious bigotry, and you’ve got a poster who’s almost totally worthless.

He does indeed. And the rest of us have an equal right to call him an asshole if we disagree sufficiently with the contents of his posts. While I certainly wouldn’t shed a tear if he never posted to this board again, neither do I think he should be prevented from posting here against his will. Assuming, of course, he stops trying to pit people outside of the Pit. If he’s too dense to figure out the most simplistic of the board rules, he deserves a wallop with the ol’ ban stick. But I don’t think he’s quite that dumb. Time, I suppose, will tell.

No, not really. If you started a Pit thread titled “Give Scott Plaid a Break” or “why doesn’t anyone just use the ignore function (on Scott Plaid)”, I’d class you as someone who was trying kind of hard to change the way the board works. Suggesting in someone else’s pit thread that some people take Scott Plaid too seriously, falls within my definition of “trying to figure out how other people’s minds work” which is acceptable behavior for new posters. Seriously, as long as you limit your emotional involvement to the cause, you are OK. There is no magic point at which asking questions about the message board becomes being a truly irritating poster trying to change the world. Although, if you defend any one poster too much, people may start wondering what your connection to that poster is.
Note to all the people providing helpful hints on how to link to a single post:

Thank you. I appreciate the tips. The odds are in favor of me forgetting long before I come up with another post which would be aided by linking to a particular post- but this at least gives me another potential source of the information when I decide I need it next.

You could always bookmark this thread.

Really, Scott strikes me as the online equivalent of someone who really loves the sound of his own voice and talks all the time regardless of whether he’s got anything worthwhile to say. That’s bad enough on its own, but it’s compounded by the fact that he rarely seems to have anything of substance to say and he’s got a strange and somewhat jarring writing style. If he’d just concentrate on the quality of his posts rather than the quantity, the ire would disappear almost completely.

Now that’s gravitas! Sadly, none of it’s pittable. :frowning:

Well, you could pit the smartassed remark for being off-topic or weak, or for contributing to general board acrimony. (Sorry. I’ve never learned the art of being pittable)

That sounds like a threat; I am sure it is meant in the general sense, though. I think I willleave the Pit for awhile; I don’t think I have the balls for it. (Always wanted a pair, actually. They seem so much niftier than ovaries, y’know?) Catch ya on the flip side. I will be looking at Cafe Society if anyone needs me. <insert appropriate smiley>

That pretty much sums it up. He can post incomprehensible shit like this and have the gall to accuse the very articulate and clear thinking J.T.Thunder of a lack of reading comprehension.
Count me in as someone who wishes he would STFU because he so often makes my “side” look bad just by being on it.

Actually, I tried the same trick once when I claimed I thought I was kinda’ witty. tom asked for for a cite, and I linked to posters complementing my posts.

::About the thread that inspired this::
Before I begin, I want to point out something. I am upset about a certain behavior. That is to say, the fact that a certain issue gets argued to death, then, months later, someone tries to re-debate the issue, while pretending that all the points they brought up were not proved wrong on the previous thread. I saw an example of this in the threads I talked about, and I wanted to know what to do about it. I suppose I could have asked for advice on how to solve this without even the least mention of what the latest example was, but I suspect the thread would have been called a pitting anyway? I was upset about the posters too , but I did not feel upset enough to pit them. Anyone else want to tell me why they enable this behavior, by responding to the the re-debater, rather then ignoring them, as Larry Borgia advised me to do in the same thread.

::About your responses on this thread::
At first, reading your posts, I had no respect for what you were saying. After all, I view many of you as seeing things through a “bush is always right, no matter what”, viewpoint, or a “Christianity is the best way”, viewpoint, and I cannot respect that. It smacks of starting from a doctrine, and only noticing points which agree with that P.O.V., and forgetting those that don’t. Just plain stupid.

However, as I read more and more posts, I see more lurkers who I have no idea of the personal views of, and so, I am forced to consider that there might be something to what people are saying. So, I will now post less, and review my viewpoint. A month or so ago, I went through the same process. This was brought on by the fact that Bricker and I hijacked a discussion, and argued forever over what judaism said, and did not say over the “savior” I was correct about the situation, and was proven right on the issue a day after it ended, when Polycarp stepped in to point out that no matter how sure Bricker was about the issues, I was stating just what judaism says. Afterwards, however, it occurred to me that no one stepped in to agree with what I was saying, save for Poly, and that was a day latter. Sure, I was correct, but my way pointing that fact out did not win me any friends, nor did it change Ricks views in any way. (I suspect that not even if og himself came forward and told bricker he was wrong, would he admit to it, but that is besides the point.) After that, I posted only to cafe society, pretty much, for a while, and watched as others combatted what I saw as the worst pubs on the board. After a while, I saw they were making just as little headway as when I was there, and I through myself back into the fray.

Now, I see I still have a lot of thinking to do. I am simply going to browse some tomorrow, wrap up the debates I am participating on tomorrow, start a GD topic that has been brewing in my head and then simply lurk for the next few weeks, save for that GD thread, and some social threads. (Mostly) Hopefully, I will see what I have been missing via debating people. (I did this before I joined, by the way, its just that I missed something. A few thoughts before I get on with that, however.

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[li]Oh holy god, I use the back slash when I feel it is appropriate, how horrible of me. :rolleyes:[/li]
It is a tool, and I use it as such. Don’t find it surprising that I use it a lot. Some people use the rolleys icon a lot. Big hairy deal. While ^h^h^h^ serves the same purpose, and is far older, it was implemented here after I suggested it, so you should not be surprised that I use it so much.
[li]I post a lot, which gets on the nerves of some of you. Boo fucking hoo. You are much to sensitive. [/li][li]I expected to see more people supporting me. But again, possibly it is that the thread has only been up a week or so, or perhaps it is that as I have said, the fault of my tone.[/li][li]You don’t think my points against Bricker hold much water? Well then, post better points. I only started to post again because I thought the arguments being made against him were just more of the same, and I felt someone should come at things from a different angle.[/ol][/li]
One last thought. Personally, I read my own posts before posting them, and in doing so, imagine them being read to myself in a conversational tone. I printed one particularly long one out, around lunchtime, and showed it to a friend. He told me something interesting. He pointed out to me that rather then all my points coming to a coherent whole, I made several points within one paragraph, made different points in another paragraph, and my last paragraph did wrap things up, in a way, but only once you clicked on the hyperlink I was talking about. By itself, it just didn’t tie things together.

He agreed with that my conclusion was correct, but because his thoughts headed that way prior to my essay, he doubted I would convince any head-up-ass republicans who thought all roads lead to bush being right. On one hand, he added, nothing would change the minds of such people. However, on the other hand, my post will not convert those who have always been convinced of das leaders rightness, but are willing to be swayed by facts. This was a few days ago, fyi, and this was the post, in case you are wondering.

P.S. Occasionally, I look up what the chuckleheads on the anonboard are saying. Well, no need to wonder what I think of what you are saying. I will read your complaints, later, and rather then start a flame war, I will see what problems you have with me, and rather then flame you right back, I will respond with why I think I was reasonable to say what I said. Hopefully, that will not give any of you sneaks a thrill.

See above post.
The prosecution rests.

Gah! Tell you what: ignore everyone criticizing you who voted Republican, if you must, and only give credence to your fellow pinkos. It’s driving us nuts!

FWIW, I don’t think that you’ve won a single debate I’ve seen you in; on the contrary, your blithe conclusion that you’ve won these debates suggests to me a profound disconnect with how discussions work, and worse, a blithe disregard for what other folks are saying. If dialectic solipsism is your bag, there’s nothing any of us can do about it; but your opinion that you’ve been winning debates is an opinion unique to you.

Daniel

How is this different from the stance of “Bush is always wrong” that you hold? Yet you still think you’re superior.

And I realize you can’t help but view us righties. We’re just so damn good-looking.

I’ve often wondered whether, when duffer and scott met at last, there would be a tremendous explosions annihilating them both and anyone nearby.

Ah well.
Daniel

Just me and you, sweetie pie. :stuck_out_tongue:

I’m pretty sure Scott would have to pack a lunch.