Scott Plaid, Stand Up or Shut Up

[Uvula_Donor]

@Scott Plaid

I may be hated, but not on the same scale as Sauron.

You’re probably right about that; very few people hate Sauron, while you are widely loathed.

[Greathouse]

Scott,

In this post in this thread you asked for a cite that you believe you always win.

I believe this thought has formed with people here because,

1. You refuse to accept when one of you points has been shown to be false. (for example, take a look at the whole Japanese internment thing earlier in this thread. Did you ever actually admit that you were wrong? It is possible that I missed it the 16 pages of this thread.)

2. You stated somewhere in this thread that when you have the last post in a thread that you have won the thread. Rather than accept the possibility that someone has given up on you. I believe that if you have the last post in a thread it is because who ever you were debating either gets bored or frustrated with your logic.

I believe that your stating point #2 above in this thread is where people got the “I Win” joke. Many people have tried to suggest to you that the debates here are not necessarily a win/lose situation, but rather an attempt to try and open someone else’s mind to a different viewpoint. But, you also need to be open to the possibility that your’s is not the only way to see any certain position. Also be open to the possibility that if someone does hold a different view on a subject, they aren’t necessarily wrong, they just view it in different terms. I don’t know if you have accepted this or if you are still just in it to “WIN”. I’ll wait for your reply.
I also must say that your constant pointing out that you have always “won” against Bricker seems absurd.

[Monstre]

@Scott Plaid

All in all, the image I have of myself is of someone who is able too see wholes in arguments, and point them out.

So are you saying that you take a holistic approach to arguing?

[CandidGamera]

Hypothesis : Scott is a teenager, despite submitted photographic evidence to the contrary.

Accounts For : His exuberance and shortsightedness, and his mangled writing. Refusal to accept his repeated defeats in debate could be indicative of immaturity, a teenage “rebel” streak, perhaps.

I was browsing the geekier sections of the local Barnes and Noble when a young teen kid approached the same section, and apropos of nothing, began to gush enthusiastically about his favorite manga series, etc. He was having trouble finding a title that I’m familiar with, but my suggestions as to how to go about getting them (Try the local comic store.) were barely comprehended (Comic store… comic store?) then dismissed with “Oh yeah, I know that place” as we seamlessly moved to a related topic. He seemed to delight in explaining various manga series without prompting, including some I’m pretty familiar with.

The conversation was one-sided, despite my efforts to get a word in edgewise, and reminded me very much of Scott.

[Greathouse]

Hopefully, CandidGamera, he did not assume that you thought he listened to Boy Bands. This would have undoubtedly drawn the conversation out and made it much longer due to his inexplicable need to point out that he did not listen to Boy Band, even though you had made no comment to that effect.

[AncientHumanoid]

Anyone want to use the name I Dig Boy Bands ?

::d&r::

[Sauron]

@Scott Plaid

Also, Sauron’s post was meant to mock me. However, at first, I read it literally, that he has actually received many email from mods. Thus, I reflected that while I might be pitted here, at least they wasn’t worked up enough to have emails sent. I joked about that idea.

Holy cow, Scott Plaid. How big is your ego, anyway?

I’ve been on this message board for more than six years. In that length of time, I’ve gotten maybe three e-mails from mods, and I’m pretty sure each one was in response to an e-mail I sent them. In other words, I ain’t that important.

Do me a favor: Look up the term “self-deprecating humor” and see if that sheds … no, wait a minute. Forget I said that. Let me just tell you what I think “self-deprecating humor” means, and then you can tell me how I’m wrong.

“Self-deprecating humor” refers to a joke or series of jokes that belittles or pokes fun at the person telling the joke. Rodney Dangerfield, for example, was famous for his self-deprecating humor. Example: “I got lost in a department store when I was eight, so I went up to a cop and said ‘Can you help me find my parents?’ He looked at me and said, ‘I dunno, kid, there’s so many places they could hide.’”

With that definition and example in mind, let’s take a look at my post again:

Originally Posted by Sauron
Can somebody tell me what’s going on? I’ve gotten 37 e-mails in the past 18 hours – in fact, 12 of those e-mails came from mods. All of them are telling me that there’s a movement afoot to have me post nothing but questions on the boards for, like, a year. None of my pithy, witty, factual answers; none of my amusing yet poignant stories; none of my incredibly apropos throwaway lines that enlighten (and in some cases, define) a thread.

What’s the deal? Can’t you people see how this board would DIE if I stopped posting all that stuff?

Passing over the magnificent use of the word “apropos” (I was quite proud of that; that word needs to be used much more often in general conversation, I think, and the fact that I get paid three cents each time it IS used in no way influences my feelings on the matter), can you see now that this was an attempt at self-deprecating humor? Maybe it didn’t work; maybe nobody laughed. It happens. But for you to think, even for an instant, that I might’ve gotten 37 e-mails suggesting I take a year’s hiatus from posting anything but questions … geez, man. I seriously doubt ANYONE has ever gotten that many e-mails suggesting they stop posting.

I only got 22. <— (NOTE: Another attempt at self-deprecating humor! See how I did that?)

@Scott Plaid

Now, I could easily imagine that being read in my voice, so as to say that it applies to me. I suspect that was how it was meant to be read. Only thing is, it doesn’t. I have received not a single email about this issue. I have no problem with that.

Lord have mercy. For somebody who wins a ton of debates around here, you sure are thick.

andros posted a message a little while ago, addressed to Shodan. In it, he said that he might disagree with everything Shodan says, but he respects Shodan’s opposition. The problem I have with you is you don’t respect ANYONE’s opposition – if someone’s viewpoint differs from yours, it’s automatically wrong. That’s a remarkably short-sighted and stupid philosophy, particularly given the quicksand-like foundation for many of your arguments.

[Excalibre]

@Liberal

You declared victory over making factual statements? Wow, dude.

I know. This is the point I was trying to explain to him earlier - making factual statements is expected. It’s nothing to be proud of, because it’s a basic expectation around here, like being potty trained. Of course there’s the occasional argument over a matter of fact, but people can usually resolve them calmly and rationally. Scott, on the other hand, declares “victory” when he’s factually right, and won’t admit it when he’s factually wrong.

That’s like being proud of yourself because for three whole days last week, you didn’t have an ‘accident’ at school. Congrats, Scott.

[Sauron]

@Excalibre

That’s like being proud of yourself because for three whole days last week, you didn’t have an ‘accident’ at school.

Will you people please let me have my little moral victories? That was a personal record, and you’re mocking me.

[Monstre]

@Sauron

I’ve been on this message board for more than six years. In that length of time, I’ve gotten maybe three e-mails from mods, and I’m pretty sure each one was in response to an e-mail I sent them. In other words, I ain’t that important.

Face it, Sauron – he’s right, nobody likes you. I think it’s because you keep killing hobbits and whining about your lost jewelry.

I mean, even the social morays won’t have anything to do with you. Perhaps if you weren’t so eel-mannered…

@Scott Plaid

Also, Sauron’s post was meant to mock me.

No, it wasn’t. At least, not the post you were referring to. That particular post of Sauron’s was in response to a joking comment by tomndebb, suggesting that more posters should participate in the “questions only” business and insinuating that there was a list. If Sauron was mocking anybody, it would have been himself (suggesting he was on the mods’ “list”), and/or the “jackbooted mods”.

:::sigh::: Jokes just aren’t as funny when one has to explain them…

[Left_Hand_of_Dorkness]

Some of your posts, Sauron, are absolutely priceless when read in Sala Baker’s voice.

Daniel

[Bricker]

@CandidGamera

Hypothesis : Scott is a teenager, despite submitted photographic evidence to the contrary.

Accounts For : His exuberance and shortsightedness, and his mangled writing. Refusal to accept his repeated defeats in debate could be indicative of immaturity, a teenage “rebel” streak, perhaps.

Scott:

As a college student, I’m assuming you took the SATs.

This is a personal question; please feel free to disregard it if you don’t wish to answer, but how did you do? Specifically, how did you do on the verbal section?

[Metacom]

@Bricker

As a college student, I’m assuming you took the SATs.

He could be going to a community college or have transferred to a four year school from a community college.

Also, do we even know he’s a native English speaker, much less from the US? It would make a lot of sense if he wasn’t; especially if it was something really esoteric, like he was raised in rural Estonia by a pack of cave wolves and his only exposure to language until recently was sniffing assholes and pissing in complete darkness.

[Cervaise]

@Metacom

his only exposure to language until recently was sniffing assholes

I thought the sniffing was of the ball sack.

At least, that’s the way they explained it to me.

[EddyTeddyFreddy]

@Cervaise

I thought the sniffing was of the ball sack.

At least, that’s the way they explained it to me.

Only if you’re worthy of the honor.

[whatsittoya]

Wow, this thread is the fourth longest thread in the pit with a good chance of making it to number two. I am not seeing a lot of support for Scott here either. If I were the object of this thread I think I would be giving a bit more thought to the idea that I might be on the wrong track than Scott seems to be. But who knows, maybe he’s right and we all are wrong. Hmm, and maybe I’ll win the lottery tonight too.

[RedFury]

For a dumbass, this kid sure does keep a bunch of intelligent Dopers occupied – 21 pages worth.

Can’t even begin to imagime what it’d be like if he was actually, er…semi-literate.

[FinnAgain]

@RedFury

For a dumbass, this kid sure does keep a bunch of intelligent Dopers occupied – 21 pages worth.

I only see seventeen pages.
But, um, yep.

[boofuu]

@FinnAgain

I only see seventeen pages.
But, um, yep.

Lucky 21, byt my count. On the upshot I have been keeping all the advice in mind that was given here- how to win friends and influence people in debate and discourse. I hope to become a better poster.

But mostly I learned to keep my ass out of the Pit. Although it would be cool to raise 21 pages of ire.

[FinnAgain]

Very fucking weird… I’m looking at this message right now, and my browser is telling me this is on “page 17 of 17”. Trippy!