Scuba (1): Guiri
USCD (1): Mr. Scud
Tilta (1): Scuba
'er, if I recall correctly.
I would be inconsistent if I didn’t follow up on my posting re:Chronos .
At the time Tom Scud came up with a WOW on Drain Bead that he felt showed a scum, and publicly and rather oddly stated that this would save Chronos. I said at the time I felt no strong vibes from either Drain Bead or Tom Scud but a vote on Chronos would help us decide if it was really a post intended for the scum board (per DB’s opinion) or whether Tom had found something.
I think now is the time to follow that up, and I am a little surprised (as is Tom I suspect considering all his pre-emptive defences 
) that no-one else thought to bring that up. I actually expected Scum to heavily use that to defend CAIS or distract us, and the fact they haven’t worries me more.
Vote Tom Scud
I would welcome an investigators thoughts, or anyone else who has information on Tom. If we do have an investigator left I think we are getting to the time your information would be very useful, if only to reduce the pool of people that could be scum.
I am also going to vote Tom Scud. The attempted saving of Chronos rang bells, and the total non discussion of this yesterday was odd. If Tom were town I would have expected this to have been proclaimed from the hilltops as a way to save CIAS. Basically I agree with Gryff
my coding sucks
vote Tom Scud
I’m using Spivak pronouns. “Em” is gender-neutral when “him” and “her” would be used in gender-positive writing.
I have no idea what to think about Tom Scud. He’s been helpful – but I got suckered by helpful Scum in my first game – but if I act on that, I’m almost certainly going to mislynch a Townie – but second-guessing myself this way is a bad idea, so that the best thing to do is hit myself with the wine bottle in front of me.
I also took a look at thread post counts. USCDiver and tiltawhirl have fewer posts than I do. This late in the game, lynching a lurker is worth considering. Also, a Vigilante killing a lurker if the Vig has no better target is worth considering.
Scuba (1): Guiri
USCD (1): Mr. Scud
Tilta (1): Scuba
Mr. Scud (2): Gryff, OaOW
Boozy, this is at least the third time you’ve mentioned that you’re suspicious of me without providing any detail. Do you mind at least explaining this post of yours from Day Three? You say you’re getting a Scummy vibe from Tom, and that you could see him and me as Scum teammates. So presumably you’re not buying Chronos as Scum at this point. You also point out (in response to my own accusation post) that you don’t see Chronos as a serial killer. Yet you later vote for him anyway, while indicating you still would rather be lynching Tom or me. Explain? Because on the face of it it looks like you just voted for someone who you believed was not guilty. Semi-confirmed or not, I’m having a hard time rationalizing that as something a Town player would do.
Gryff and OAOW, why would you think Scum would stick their necks against what amounted to a true detective result? Particularly in that way. If “townie Tom” had wound up lynched instead of CIAS, then those who pushed for his lynch would be forming a line for the chopping block right about now, along with CIAS again. With two Scum already down, it’d be practically suicidal to make an issue of it in that fashion. That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t do it, necessarily (or attempt to deal with the situation by questioning the messenger, as Tom and others did do), but I don’t think you can turn around and use the ABSENCE of such a tactic as evidence of anything.
Scuba Ben, agree with you about the vig, if we have one. Low-post-count players should be an option at this point.
One, Gryff: I’m going to boil down my defense posts to a single point:
Why did I both (1) start the wagon on Chronos and (2) cast suspicion on Cat in my Night 2 Walls of Words? What scum motive do I have for throwing not one, but two teammates under the bus?
A single two-part point, but anyway.
So, to review my own bidding, I’m going to go ahead and post a trust list, even though I understand those are frowned upon. But at this point my only real suspects are Gueri and a bunch of low-volume posters, so unless I go after Gueri by default, I’m going to end up not having a lot to support myself with.
I know I’m town. See my self-defense posts for why I think you should, too.
I think Gryff and Boozy are both pretty much confirmed as Town. I can’t see Boozy’s role as a Screamer, and I have a hard time thinking of it as a third-party given that Alka ran off with all the bling.
In decreasing order of confidence, I think the following players are Town:
Drain Bead, because of her early questioning of Chronos and her early appearance on the Day 3 Chronos wagon.
Normal Phase, because (1) she questioned Chronos somewhat early (2) she argued that peeker couldn’t be on the same scum team as Jimmy.
Oredigger, because Jimmy smudged him in a way that was too off-hand to be an attempt at a bussing, and because he’s generally been pro-Town in his play.
AllWalker, for voting Chronos on Day 1, and for expressing early interest (but not voting) in the Chronos wagon on Day 3.
That leaves
tiltawhirl, USCDiver, Scuba_Ben, GuirienEspana, and One and Only. Of those, tiltawhirl, Diver, and One and Only were late to the wagon on Chronos, while Ben and Guiri both voted for Drain late on Day 3.
I don’t think Ben and Guiri, as scum, would have both piled on to the losing wagon at a time when there was no chance of shifting it, and they knew the winner would flip scum. (Guiri’s vote came 10 minutes after Ben’s, and was short enough that it probably didn’t crosspost). Therefore, of the 2-3 scum we have left, at most one could be among Ben and Guiri, leaving from 1-3 among tilt, Diver, and One and Only.
WoW on OneandOnly; Wow on Diver; WoW on tiltawhirl.
None of these guys has posted a whole lot, or done anything blatantly anti-Town. OaOW FOS’d Chronos and Cat at the end of Turn 1, but then didn’t go anywhere with it on Turn 2. Plus he has that magic bag and I don’t know that the time is right to force that issue; soon, though. Diver and tilt have both made safe votes and never really pushed to either (1) defend someone we now know to be Townie or (2) attack someone we now know to be scum.
And between tilt and Diver, not having a lot to go on from their postings, I’m stuck with a general sense from tilt’s postings that she’s probably a cautious noob Townie and not a cautious noob Scum.
So, Diver, sorry not to be more specific here, but you do have a way to shift my vote off you, specifically convince me that one of the others on my short list is scum, or that I’m wrong about one of the people on my trust list.
/snipped
Gryff, What did you expect to achieve by giving Tom the music box as a gift the Night after these events (right?)? Since you’ve heard his explanation of how it works, what are your thoughts now? Could the music box confirm him either way Tomorrow?
???
Cat did “investigate” me as Town, but I didn’t rise to the bait. Because I DIDN’T, I’m scum?
I’m having similar WIFOM issues with Tom. After Chronos came up Scum, I figured for sure that Tom was as well. Then I got sidetracked by the CIAS thing, and Tom took that opportunity to make a lot of useful pro-Town posts. But there’s a perfectly valid Scummy motive to do that as well, because he knew he’d be getting heat eventually, so the only thing he could really do was be as pro-Town as possible and hope that time would cause people to forget about him and start focusing elsewhere.
But the whole thing about saving Chronos still doesn’t sit right with me. Ugh.
Oh, wait, I understand; because there wasn’t a “lynch Tom” movement opposed to the Cat lynch, I must be scum.
Srsly, how stupid would scum have had to be to attempt that ploy? Even if they got one or two Town votes on-side (and which Town players would have overlooked a cop investigation in favor of a “slip”?), it still wouldn’t have worked, and would have exposed whichever scum DID come on-side to create the wagon to some serious scrutiny.
So again, what’s my scum motivation for (on night 2) fingering Chronos (and helping to get the Chronos-wagon rolling) AND fingering Cat as somewhat suspicious?
You might want to consider that I look pro-town because, to coin a phrase, “I am effing town.”
He gave me the music box on Night 2; the events in question were on Day 3.
Yeah, and that’s why I’m not voting for you. Really, the only reason TO vote for you is the line about saving Chronos, and I’m not sure if that’s good enough right now. Before you said that, you weren’t really on my radar screen.
Right now the two underwaters and tiltawhirl are the ones who I find most suspicious (other than you, of course). I actually think that Scuba Ben overreacted a lot to a teensy bit of heat (I know, far be it from me to say that, but in my defense I had a lot more heat than that), and that pinged me quite a bit. Combine the defense that was at once overreactive and weak (pointing out that he was lynched as Town in prior games is useless) with the defense of CIAS, and I think he needs to go.
vote Scuba_Ben
Vote Count:
Scuba (2): Guiri, DrainBead
USCD (1): Mr. Scud
Tilta (1): Scuba
Mr. Scud (2): Gryff, OaOW
I was waiting around to see if the wagon on Tom got rolling. His explicitly stating that he was going to save someone who turned out to be scum was pretty bad. I also thing that he had been more exuberant in his townieness the last Day and a half so I was expecting a wagon to get rolling either from him getting bussed by his compatriots or other townies seeing what I was.
That doesn’t seem to be happening and now I’m trying to figure out why. Out of our 12 active players we’ve had 6 place votes and we are probably halfway through the day. I know the reason I’ve been quiet and while the other 5 might have been quiet for the same reason I kind of doubt it.
My current thinking is that there are ~3 scum left so there is plenty of room for them to hide in the non-voting group. I also believe that Boozy is pretty confirmed at this point so that leaves 4 people to sit back; tiltawhirl, Normal Phase, USCDiver and Allwalker. I’m not saying that our current voters are above my suspicion but just letting you know what I’m thinking about since being quite and watching no longer helps the town.
Tom, who did you give the music box to? If I recall it was supposed to confirm you as some sort of Town?