My thought process at the time was that you and **tiltawhirl **were both Scum. I had a vote on you at the time, but I was highly suspect of **tiltawhirl’s **claim as evidenced by my vote the previous day in Post #2400. The following Day I was NOT suspicious of either Normal or AllWalker which is why I didn’t vote for either of them. I only offered myself as a tie breaker to test Normal’s claim. When **tiltawhirl **voted for herself, I became even more convinced of her scumminess and switched my vote to her. I had already noted that I was skeptical of her role and if I could have lynched her I would. In fact, my vote put her in the vote lead, but was soon afterwards negated by Drain’s switch. I understand that my vote as a Townie to lynch her is indistinguishable from a Scum vote to save her. But as a Scum, I would only have had knowledge of her true role mechanics had I been on the same team as her, which is not even known at this time either.
I guess I disagree that an End-Game between three essentially vanilla-claimed players (**AllWalker’s **ability having been used) is equivalent to an end-game with a claimed bomb.
I’m more than willing to lynch **Guiri **Today and hope that the Game ends; but I’m also considering ways of avoiding the nightmare that Tomorrow will be with **Normal **in the three-way.
It won’t be a nightmare. AllWalker, as leader, votes for you. Normal self-votes and then you vote for him. Anyone who refuses to go along with this gets lynched instead, and a late switcher will create a tie that AllWalker can break to get them. The only way we lose in that circumstance is if AllWalker is scum, and if that’s the case we’re already screwed.
Whereas, you are still suggesting ideas that will lead to max confusion at the end. So far you’ve suggested what would likely end up as a three-way between you, Guiri, and Normal, or getting rid of Normal toDay, which puts us in LyLo now if he’s telling the truth.
A fair question.
I’ll think about this and issue an answer some time this evening (unless Mahaloth beats me to it ;))
I see where you’re coming from, but since I know my alignment is Town and I’m suspicious of Guiri, I would look forward to an end game with **Guiri **more than one with Normal. But I’ll abandon the lateral thinking if it’s making you suspicious of of me.
I’d like to propose that which ever of me or **Guiri **makes it to Tomorrow (assuming there is one) be elected Leader. After **Normal **votes for himself, the Leader then votes for Normal. This locks in that vote so that it can’t be moved. If the player instead votes for someone else or refuses the vote, Normal and **AllWalker **can both vote for that player.
We are getting quite hypothetical at this point. However, the answer would be that yes, the tie-breaking vote would be the “bomb trigger” vote.
No more answers on that topic.
That latter part makes sense as a plan for Tomorrow. But with the former part, the only way we win is if either Guiri or Normal is Scum, so you have to see that the rest of us aren’t in the position to agree to it. Unless Normal is the Scum, one of you must die toDay in order for us to win. And if Normal is the Scum, we can just as easily get him Tomorrow, with no risk whatsoever. So one of you is gonna have to take one for the team, as the case may be.
I don’t have any special suggestions on how we should play out the rest of the game. Everyone should simply vote for the person they think is the bad guy/gal.
USC’s Day 7 explanation for his Day 6 vote don’t match up but his Day 5 attack on Tilta and initial vote on Day 6 don’t look so scummy taken in isolation.
It looks like USC, Drain and I voted Tilta as the safest option for the day (hoping she was scum but realizing a town flip would cause no damage to Town), not being convinced of the other arguments. If Tilta had been in danger (via AllWalker) at the time of our votes, then the 3 votes could look like scum attempting to save a co-scum however, given the timing, I can see NO scum advantage in voting for Tilta while AlWalker was not in the vote lead as this would have meant scum, knowing Tilta was hiding, were choosing to avoid a lynch instead of lynching a Town player.
Vote AllWalker
The scum advantage was “confirming” tilta via her claim, if she were the vote leader at the end of the Day.
Correct, but only her power would be confirmed (and IIRC she said it was a one-off power), not her alignment, much like AllWalker’s power was confirmed but we still have no idea about his alignment. Would that be worth more to scum that a townie mislynch or the lynch of a potential SK? I don’t think so - maybe as a last resort if the voting isn’t going their way, but to start the day voting for what was effectively a no-lynch doesn’t seem pro-scum to me.
Yeah… but wouldn’t that help the bad guys more than us? I mean, the extra info would help, but we’re running low on mostly confirmed players at this point.
I plan on voting around lunchtime today, but I may have to take my daughter to the doctor at some point. I’ll definitely vote today though–I think I’ve seen enough to make a decision.
I think I’m going to be basing my decision more on recent events. Both Diver and Guiri were pinging about equally in my mind before now, and this Day has created some interesting issues.
First off, Diver. The big point against Diver is his insistence that we try something, anything, other than choosing to kill either him or Guiri, which I find to be very anti-Town. A true Town player in this position should be willing to take one for the team, in order to give Town the best chance to win, while making clear and cogent arguments for us to off the one that isn’t him.
And that leads us to Guiri. Up until his vote, I was leaning toward voting for Diver. But the vote for AllWalker just kills me. It’s taking the exact argument I was making against Diver, and then embracing it! I’m pretty sure AllWalker is Town. I don’t see two gambits in the style of tiltawhirl working. So what Guiri would have us do is end up in a three-way between him, Diver, and Normal, which I’ve said all along is anti-Town. And in this stage of the game, two votes may be enough to push things over the edge. Once my vote is set in stone, one vote for AllWalker from someone else may kill him, and that one vote may just as easily be from a misguided Townie, instead of from our killer. Guiri’s vote is the height of irresponsibility.
Basically, both of you have done some things that I see as being Scummy toDay. I’m not sure which one is worse. I’m still mulling this about in my head, and will vote when I get back to my computer, around 11:00-12:00.
I meant to also bring up the fact that Diver keeps bringing up all these ideas, but does not actually put his vote where his mouth is. I’m not sure what to think of that, but I do think it needed to be said.
My vote is not set in stone but I wanted to make a stance and a statement.
I want what’s best for town today and will worry about tomorrow only if I survive till then. We have a chance of winning the game today and should go for that.
I asked a couple of times why all suspicions of AllWalker had been dropped. It seems you guys just assumed he couldn’t be the bad guy when OaOW flipped scum but we still have the possibility of a SK or 2 scum teams and, given his extremely low profile throughout the game (90 posts, 57 in Days 1 & 2 but only 33 in the 6 Days since then), I don’t see how anyone can find him more Town than any of the other remaining players.
We have yet to hear Normal’s thoughts and Allwalker has not voted yet.
NETA Correction, Allwalker was aparently deemed “innocent” after Tilta’s flip, not OaOW’s - sorry.
I’m back, will try to evaluate what’s been going on and add my own thoughts within the next several hours.
The main argument as regards AllWalker is his apparent confusion as regards his ability to survive a lynch. I think it’s a solid argument as far as it goes – Scum or SK might conceivably omit such a detail to avoid just the thing that happens to a Bomb claim ("you’re just trying not to get lynched!), but they certainly would have noticed it. Going back to look at that stuff in just a minute.
Well, I don’t think tilta would have hid behind a teammate, especially not when there were targets who were less likely to be lynched/NKed in that day/night cycle (me, for example). I don’t know when tilta had to choose to hide behind AllWalker, but I’d imagine it was after the mass claim. It would make sense for tilta to hide behind AllWalker because at the time of the mass claim and OAOW lynch he was receiving very little heat, and if there was another killer out there, tilta would have believed herself to be safe during the Night portion of the cycle due to AllWalker’s claim, and probably did not foresee the lynch votes swinging the way they did.
I am hoping that others might vote before I have to leave, which will be around noonish. I’ll get a vote in then for certain, and I’m about 75% certain I know who it’s going to be for–I just want to see if a few other things happen before I do it.
Are we assuming that there’s just one scum team of 6 and no Serial Killer?