Alky Seltzer (1): Boozahol Octo, FBI
jpeg (2): OAoW, Fruedian
Mot Scud(1): peekra
The One and Only(1): Kronzor
Pecear(4): Tom Scad, Jimminy Chitwick, Gruff, Nook
Cronos(2): Draid Bean
The Dread Bean (3): amrussett, Abnormal Phase, Alka Celtser
I think there are two separate issues here that you’re conflating a bit. Even if OAOW brought all this upon himself by soft-claiming when it may not have been necessary, I’m having trouble seeing a town motivation in voting for him in order to force a full claim. As I said in my initial post on the subject, there are perfectly good townie reasons for why OAOW might not want to full claim (I believe I came up with a good townie reason, a poor townie reason, and a scummy reason). These, however, are separate from the question of whether OAOW should have ever soft-claimed in the first place, which is the only issue I was addressing in the post where you say I flip-flopped. Now that he has, though, I disagree with voting for him to force a full claim. If anyone other than Chronos has a reason, I’d love to hear it, but it seems so far as if most people are siding with me on this one.
If we don’t all do it, the scum, if they’re smart, will go ahead and say “I am town-aligned.” It’s not impossible, but unlikely, that we have a lie detector in this game. It is much more likely that we have a Cop of some sort. The Cop might be very thankful for the smaller group of investigative targets, and spend their time investigating lazy or distrustful townies, while the scum hides in the group of people who claim town alignment, distracting the Cop. All of this is more noise. We should just all come out and say we’re town-aligned, get it over with, and not distract potential Cops and Lie Detectors. The problem is that it’ll be really tough to get 24 people to agree on doing this–which is what I think Chronos was banking on.
Chronos should only have 1 vote–you have him with 2.
Alky Seltzer (1): Boozahol Octo, FBI
jpeg (2): OAoW, Fruedian
Mot Scud(1): peekra
The One and Only(1): Kronzor
Pecear(4): Tom Scad, Jimminy Chitwick, Gruff, Nook
Cronos(1): Braid Dean
The Dread Bean (3): amrussett, Abnormal Phase, Alka Celtser
Fixed.
It’s funny, I was thinking this afternoon that I was going to vote Drain Bead, and then I come back and she’s already got three votes!
As much as I don’t like Chronos (the Inscrutable)'s vote on OaOW, her reaction to it and to the lie detector is just screaming ‘not Town’ to me. And her latest comment about the cop is weird. If we have a cop and they investigate townies, that’s a Good Thing. It’s good to find scum too of course, but it has been noted recently that a Cop can be just as valuable to confirm townies. Seems to be her remarks on this point are subtly trying to lead any cops astray. At the very least it’s a strange attitude.
Oh, and I am Town-aligned.
Well…why not mention it? Anyway, I don’t think the case for jpei is all that great. I just honed in him for the whole not voting for a leader thing, which I viewed as inactivity. He’s been a lot more active now, so I’ll unvote.
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Unvote jpei**
As for anyone else, as it’s the first day out and we’re likely to select a townie no matter what, so far I don’t have a vote, but I’m reviewing posts and trying to see if anything suspicious comes to mind.
Ok, I think I buy this. You don’t think that OAOW should have soft claimed so you had questions and you defiantly don’t think that he should full claim so you are voting for Chronos for trying to force that. I don’t think that really counts a fishing and I agree with Chronos in principle but at least I see where you’re coming from.
I’m still having problems with this. You started off calling this fishing but now you’re saying that he is trying to lead our power roles astray by giving them a group to search that doesn’t have any scum. Even if you’re correct and he is trying to make sure they don’t find any scum with their investigations then he is doing more to help the town because the scum can’t kill that group and the detective will be able to build a group of confirmed townies.
There is a big difference between fishing and distracting power roles which do you think Chronos is doing again?
Quoth Drain Bead:
Wait, so, “fishing” for PFKs or Scum is somehow a bad thing? I thought that was what we were all supposed to be doing? Sure, if I were Scum, I’d be curious about any third parties, but as Town, I’m also curious about third parties. And second parties, for that matter.
Holy crap, I forgot to vote.
vote Drain Bead
I am town alig–GAH!!! ::screams and falls to the ground::
Yeah, it sort of screams of that real life, cops have to reply that they are undercover cops if asked logic. Vote Drain Bead
And I am town aligned. And Town Aligned. And Town-Aligned.
Alky Seltzer (1): Boozahol Octo, FBI
jpeg (2): OAoW
Mot Scud(1): peekra
The One and Only(1): Kronzor
Pecear(4): Tom Scad, Jimminy Chitwick, Gruff, Nook
Cronos(1): Braid Dean
The Dread Bean (5): amrussett, Abnormal Phase, Alka Celtser, DaphkneeBlack, Freudian Skip
You yourself question her shoddy logic, and when I want a response from her lips, I’m not helping my case. Why are you so convinced this couldn’t help find scum?
I am town-aligned.
And wow, OAoW has two votes on me.
The original quote from you:
You characterize that as asking for a response regarding shoddy logic? You characterize that as trying to find Scum? It looks much more like it’s focused on saving jpei. In retrospect that’s the trouble I’m having with nearly all your posts, I think: me, me, me. I don’t want to risk myself voting for leader. I’m a Rorshach test, so many people are commenting on me. What will it take for you to remove your vote on me?
Get it?
NETA: If you really do want to find Scum, try looking at some comments that don’t have anything to do with you. Even mine, if you seriously have a problem with my approach that isn’t limited to the extent to which I’ve questioned you.
fair enough. because i haven’t played any games with you i don’t know what your threshhold may be. some folks can be awful thin skinned and others not so much (i would fall in the latter camp).
i mean, obviously, we don’t agree, but i sure as heck don’t want that to come across in bad form.
If you are any role other than Lie Detector, IMO what you’ve done has made it easier for Scum to find other scum and PFKs than it is for Town to find them, which concerns me.
Sure thing…this game sure looks a lot easier from the bleachers than it does on the field!!!
@jpei - as a n00b I can relate to the difficulty of not knowing when to jump in, but the nonvote for Leader really can’t be defended as any kind of principled, much less pro-town move. No vote from me at this time, but you really need to start engaging (says the 6-post player).
Tom Scud vs. peekercpa - I looked really hard at Tom’s post #131 to see if he may have made a slip about the presence/absence of third parties. Tom was making an educated guess on the most likely number of mislynches available to Town in the context of the policy discussion around ‘lynch declared Millers first’ and was not addressing the larger issue of whether there were third parties in the game. While I find peekercpa’s points to be without merit, I think his aggressive nit-picking will quickly lead to his undoing if he is Scum and will work to the Town’s benefit if Town.
I am aligned with Town.
more anon.
OK, even if we stipulate that for the sake of argument, if there are two Scum factions in the game (another point we need to stipulate for the sake of argument, because I don’t think there’s any evidence yet for such), I’d rather have them fighting each other than fighting us.
Ah, but I did. It’s supposed to be OaOW; I said OAoW.
Alky Seltzer (1): Boozahol Octo, FBI
jpeg (1): OAoW
Mot Scud(1): peekra
The One and Only(1): Kronzor
Pecear(4): Tom Scad, Jimminy Chitwick, Gruff, Nook
Cronos(1): Braid Dean
The Dread Bean (5): amrussett, Abnormal Phase, Alka Celtser, DaphkneeBlack, Freudian Skip
Fixed.