Screamers Mafia

That’s what I’ve been doing, Tom - reviewing the Drain Bead thread. It’s very confusing.

Starting with post 239. DB has at this point learned that, contrary to her (her, right?) expectation as previously indicated, OaOW can’t be Leader because of his role, not because of somebody’s power. DB says not to claim, at least not yet. That’s more or less what a lot of us are saying at this point, and nobody’s giving Drain Bead any crap for it.

The crucial posts are # 332 and 345. Here’s why: DB has no votes on her for awhile after making those two posts, until amrussell says (post numbers added by me):

Follow-up votes come hot and heavy, with minor variations on the same theme. First obvious question that jumps out - were the two reasons amrussell gives here legitimate? So first, was there a U-turn on Chronos? I’d say no, there wasn’t. DB didn’t want OaOW to claim – don’t claim soft, don’t claim hard, don’t claim with a St. Bernard*. In this light, it is, I think, totally legitimate to say on the one hand that the willingness of OaOW to acknowledge a non-vanilla role was a bad thing (I disagree, but it’s a consistent position) and then say on the other hand that Chronos should not push for a full claim. That’s not a U-turn.

The second part of the case was the Lie Detector thing. I don’t think that there’s any reason not to give the LD a statement to work with, since it essentially deputizes the LD into a full role cop and that’s something we want. I have to admit, though, that I’m a very suspicious player in these games, and my initial thinking when Chronos said that was “He could be inviting an investigation because he knows he’ll trick the investigator.” I remember in the last game with a Lie Detector, there was concern that a Godfather might be able to trick the LD the same way he would trick an investigation. If somebody came right out and said “I’m Town, I should be investigated tonight so we can clear me,” that would be really suspicious, right? So I’m willing to give DB a little room there for healthy paranoia, personally, because it occurred to me. In the end, though, it’s probably reading too much of my own style into it, since that isn’t even what DB’s point was.

The bulk of the discussion, it seems to me, has been about DB and giving the LD something to work with. I think that’s been hashed out to everybody’s satisfaction, and DB has given her reasons, like them or not. I really feel like everything else has been without much merit.

Anyway, I started this summary in order to get my own thoughts straight about what’s going on here. I think my conclusion is that the hesitance to go along with the Lie Detector thing when others obviously were willing counts as anti-town enough to justify a day 1 vote, so if that’s why people feel she’s the prime candidate, I can see it. I also think it should be noted that point #1 in case #1 made against DB was a specious one, and we should be aware of that going forward, and scrutinize those who jumped on board with that analysis without much rigor.

*this is actually the improved version. It started as a Harry Potter joke, I’m sorry to say.

I agree about the first point and I posted up thread that DB didn’t switch positions there. I still think she was inconsistent in her argument of Chronos ‘fishing’ with his claim of being town but in the end I’m getting more of a townie being railroaded then anything else at this point. So I’m going to

Vote Peeker

Since I think some of his scummy friends are trying to save him when his scripted fight with Tom got too much attention.

You know, Jimmy, you just summed up everything that I find wrong about this lynch attempt much better than I could. Thanks. I’m sorry I initially missed you on my list.

jpeg (2): OAoW, TxtKitty
Mot Scud(1): peekra
The One and Only(1): Kronzor
Pecear(6): Tom Scad, Jimminy Chitwick, Gruff, Nook, Ting Phish, Miner77
Normal Faze (1): Braid Dean
The Dread Bean (8): amrussett, Abnormal Phase, Alka Celtser, DaphkneeBlack, Freudian Skip, Fenix, tiltawhirl, UPSDriver

I’ll try and catch up on the game properly tomorrow. For now:

Unvote

I haven’t ruled out voting for Drain Bead again, but I’d like to re-read the last couple pages and weigh things up.

A few observations:

I don’t accept Drain Bead’s position that Chronos’ lie-detector idea was role-fishing. If Chronos is scum, I think it was just a noise post. However, if scum were genuinely concerned about a possible lie-detector I think they’d be more likely to ignore Chronos’ post in the first instance or push for everyone to post a town-aligned claim (so they are not part of a small pool of claimees, increasing the chance of getting hit by a lie-detector).

As others have noted, jpei’s play seems a bit off. He seems more interested in defending himself than scum-hunting.

A couple players mentioned the speed the Drain Bead bandwagon got going, and how it might be a scum attempt to save Peeker. I find this kind of thing a little scummy, sounds a bit like trying to set up the next lynch before we know the result of the first one. I need to go back and see exactly who said what.

budget meetings suck. how can normally intelligent people fuck around with two plus two all fracking day.

austin trip cancelled. no see peekkid#4 for dinner. me pissed. back in a sec.

<bleached>

everyone turn to the same page in the hymn book and repeat after me. i know you are not the first mis guided soul to suggest this but you are the latest.

must have a hell of a lot of scum buddies to get what, seven/eight votes on someone else.

tom, your lynch or lose calculations need to be redone. we’re there now.

more to come.

<snipped>

and

<bleached>

before i go to the next act is there any possibility on getting any type of agreement on this? tom and moi.

it’s either:

scum v scum
scum v 3rd party
3rd party v scum
town v scum
town v 3rd party
town v town.

i’d really like tom or jimmy to respond but if not then what the heck, the show must go on.

Say what now?

If I understand correctly, you’re asking which of those dyads I think you and Tom represent; is that right?

My answer is that I have no idea, but my reasons for voting for you initially would tend to lead me toward scum v. town, or scum v. 3P. I have no idea what Tom is, but since I found your questioning of his statement scummy, and since I voted for you, obviously I’m gambling on you being scum. If you’re scum, it makes more sense to me that you aren’t sacrificing yourself on Day 1 intentionally to give a scum Tom more cred with the rest of us, so I don’t tend to think of it as scum on scum. I don’t really care to speculate any further than that, since, you know, if I was right and you were acting scummy because you’re scum, good for me, and we can deal with the rest going forward.

What are you suggesting with your most recent posts?

if in fact folks are voting for you because they are scum trying to save my scummy rear then there are a whole bunch of them and we are perilously close to lylo with that number of scum.

it’s sarcastic.

Hey, I got that one!

jpeg (2): OAoW, TxtKitty
Mot Scud(1): peekra
The One and Only(1): Kronzor
Pecear(6): Tom Scad, Jimminy Chitwick, Gruff, Nook, Ting Phish, Miner77
Normal Faze (1): Braid Dean
The Dread Bean (8): amrussett, Abnormal Phase, DaphkneeBlack, Freudian Skit, Fenix, tiltawhirl, UPSDriver

let’s recap, shall we.

tom’s first post a very vanilla post regarding potential factions.

what the fuck, let’s be a smart ass and poke and see what happens.

his response

tom scud
*That’s why I said “all else being equal, which of course it won’t be.”

We don’t KNOW that there are third parties, although the mods have been very coy about kinda-sorta not answering our queries about that. *

so of course being the jerk wad that i am i follow up along the lines of that’s not right. it does not compute. one of these things is not like the other.

it will not be equal does not equal we don’t know that there are third parties.

which is followed up by:

tom scud
*Emphasis added. Honestly, if peeker had poked at me for posting a bunch of noncontroversial stuff in an effort to look pro-town, when I could just as easily have been scum, it would have been a reasonable case. *

so he agrees with my conclusion just not the way i got there.

and then this:

oh shoot to be continued.

Well, obviously not everyone who voted for Drain Bead is Scum (or at least, I certainly hope not). But it’s still possible that there are a few Town in there, and some Scum joined in to turn a small bandwagon into a big one.
And pede, how come wilt-a-twirl doesn’t get mangled?

followed by this

tom scud

*But I agree that OaOW could be either scum or town on the basis of what we know so far about his role. *

would this potentially be posting “non controversial stuff” in an effort to look pro town.

i don’t know but putting someone in the net of both scum and town seems pretty non controversial except to me.

now why the heck does jimmy get involved?

don’t know for sure, but it sure feels odd. why the post?

hoosier

That’s what I’ve been doing, Tom - ….

that just feels squinky as all heck as well.

and it is probably not in town’s best interest to lynch a doctor on Day one.

yes, it’s a claim and the A is definitely on purpose.

play close attention folks, to what transpires next.

neta:

play does not equal pay. my bad.

Thanks for clearing that up, because I really had no clue what you were getting at there. I was thinking you were soft-claiming a Bomb role or something!