Oh, I’d also really like to know what the heck Peeker meant by that “A doctor” emphasis.
Meh, I was tired, and I read a different post while continuing to catch up.
Peeker was asserting that there was another doctor, who would be coming out of the woodwork to counterclaim him.
Welcome!
Nah, we all have great senses of humor here. Except peeker.
On doctors and scum doctors: note that both Mahaloth and Pedescribe have recently run games with scum doctor roles. One of which basically won the game for scum.
Quoth Drain Bead:
I still haven’t seen an example of how full disclosure could hurt Town. The Scum would find out he has a special role? They already know that. What other problems would there be?
I suppose that depends entirely on the details of the special role. And the person who knows best as to whether full disclosure of those details would help or hurt is OAOW. I could speculate on examples of roles where Town might be harmed by knowing all the details, but that seems like a silly waste of time when it would be just as meaningful for you to acknowledge that the possibility exists that OAOW is a better judge of this than any of us.
(OTOH, to those who are suggesting that the mods would not give scum a high-profile role right off the bat…I have one word for that…Gatman. Of course, that was more of a Gastard Mod game than this was advertised to be, that’s for certain!)
See, I just have a hard time buying that you read Tom’s post, thought about it, and decided to change votes in the space of two minutes. That time frame seems much less suggestive of thinking “who is making the most well reasoned case?” and more consonant with “who can I get lynched who isn’t one of my scumbuddies?”
It’s far from an iron-clad case, but I think it’s the most suspicious behavior I’ve identified yet.
Good God, over 24 hours left in Day One and we’re onto Page Twelve. SDMB Mafia is not for the faint of heart!
To be fair, that also includes the sign-ups and other pre-game miscellania, and this first Day is longer than future Days are expected to be.
Back on topic, while it’s certainly true that Wanderers is the best judge of whether he’s acting in Town’s best interest, isn’t that also true of everyone? I mean, jpei says that his abstention from the Leader vote was for the benefit of Town, and peeker says that his attacks on Tom was for the benefit of Town, and so on. If a person knows they’re Town, then they also know that their motivation is to help Town, but the rest of us don’t know that, and we have to judge, on our own and based on our own limited knowledge, whether we think what someone is doing is actually pro-Town or not.
Fair enough. What I said was true, but if I weren’t me, I’d do the same thing you’re doing.
Want even more wild and crazy Squid switcheroo?
I’m gonna vote for peeker. Why? Dude was on the fence of being lynched (I don’t think he actually ever took the vote lead, he was building up a head of steam), and claimed Doc.
Claiming Doc a great move for scum worried that they’re about to get lynched: usually, the real Doc stays silent, and you get several days of unlynchability, as you’re not required to reveal any information like you would with claiming Cop. Worst case scenario, the real Doc comes out and points a finger at you, Town lynches you because it makes more sense that real scum wouldn’t do a one for one trade with a Doc, and now you’ve just isolated the Doc. He’s even more likely to self-protect, and therefore you’ve neutralize him because you don’t have to worry about stumbling into his protection.
What peeker did was taking option A, while attempting to forestall an eventual counterclaim. He preps us for the counterclaim, and then says “See guys, I told you this would happen! I’m still ‘confirmed’!” Great move for scum, if it works.
unvote: Oredigger
vote: peeker
jpeg (2): OAoW, TxtKitty
Mot Scud(1): peekra
The One and Only(1): Da’Chronic
Pecear(3): Gruff, Nook, Oredigger, Boozy
The Dread Bean (4): amrussett, Abnormal Phase, Freudian Skit, UPSDriver
Borerigger(2): Scuddy, Brainbleed
Boozy(1): Motscud
Something was bugging me and I went back and looked, and sure enough:
Anyone care to parse out the truth-value of the sentence
“I see no harm in saying I am Town aligned whether or not there is a lie detector.”
if it is said by a scum? I think it could turn out true, if he says it in a way that it can’t be separated out into its own sentence.
It interests me because AllWalker is generally a careful poster, and has gone to some lengths to hide breadcrumbs in previous games. And as he mentions has previously played a lie detector & thus would have thought a lot about this role.
unvote
vote AllWalker
Oredigger has unvoted peeker; nevertheless, that puts our claimed doc within one vote of the lead. I don’t think that’s the best play.
On the one hand, I don’t think peeker is a doc. On the other hand, risk/rewardwise, I’m not convinced rolling the dice on that (considering the lack of anything approaching a smoking gun, even if the circumstantial indications are convincing) is a good idea on Day 1. On, uh, the foot, though, I think this much activity on day 1 bodes well down the line. On the other foot, I haven’t the faintest idea where I want to throw my vote yet and it’s getting more and more wide open. I’m still very ambivalent about the case against DB. I’m checking out all the other cases now.
Chronos, yes, it’s true in every case that “we have to judge, on our own and based on our own limited knowledge,” what every other player’s motivations are. That is of course the very definition of subjectivity, however, and what you are claiming is an objectively anti-town stance by OaOW. Stripped of the argument that it’s the one objective truth of everyone’s intentions, we’re back to the question of what our judgment is of OaOW’s actions. My personal feeling is that it was handled properly – again, it seems clear to me that if there was a unanimous cry for a full reveal, that’s what we’d have gotten. There wasn’t, though, which is what makes your certainty a little curious to me.
Could a Mod kindly change “Nook” to whatever variation on GuiriEnEspaña is preferred? My vote stays with Peeker tonight.
Vote Peeker
I actually addressed this later, Tom, and AllWalker clarified. I thought the same thing you did when I saw it–that sentence could have been parsed two different ways, so I called him on it and he made the actual statement without ambiguity.
Actually, that was Alka Seltzer.
Damned A-names! Nice catch.
So what this boils down to is that you don’t trust anyone’s analysis of what’s best for Town, and you want to judge for yourself. But you seem to be creating a dilemma here. If OAOW is scum, won’t he just make up some sort of full claim if pressured enough? And if he’s Town, then clearly it’s a bad thing if he’s pressured by too many votes to reveal something he doesn’t want to. So there’s really no win here–either we’re getting false info, or we’ll get the true info, which will potentially benefit scum more than us.
I’m just really not getting your bullheaded insistence on a full reveal here.
i never said that.
i said “a”.
a can be a group of one. a can be a group of more than one.
i’m sure scum would love to know if there is more than one doc. well for them it is all supposition. i am “a” doctor.
claiming 101: fcs don’t make it any easier on the folks that drive the claim by giving out any more information than is absolutely necessary.
btw, jimmy if you are going to fish, fcs, bait the hook.