I think it’s really weird that Peeker claimed when he wasn’t in the vote lead especially when the Day is going to end in 3 days but there is no way we can risk lynching a Doc on Day 1.
Unvote Peeker
I don’t have a good place to transfer my vote to so I’ll be back later to try and figure out where I want to vote now.
Ah, also. I guess being from the Old Country you might not have the same school grading conventions as we do here in the colonies. INC means “Incomplete”. What I meant by “Incomplete” I already explained.
I didn’t even see there was a page 11 when I made that last post so let me respond to the case.
You’re right here it could be either one and it’s just how I feel.
Again it is just how I feel I don’t like soft claims and now we’ve managed to have two power roles exposed, in theory, but still have no idea on the game mechanics.
First of all I don’t believe there is a lie detector I think it’s an idea that has gotten too much air time in this game. The only reason I even bothered with the I am town statement was it is sure to be used later in the game against people and I see no reason to hand out extra ammo for free. Heck, even if there is a lie detector wouldn’t they be better served looking at the two power roles we’ve had claim I think people naturally make definitive statements during the Day that are worth checking out without needing to insure that everyone has a back up just in case the probably nonexistent lie detector gets curious.
I had some questions about what Drain was saying so I figured I’d get the situation clarified before I voted.
At this point I was thinking that she was scum and I was probably going to vote for her but she explained her ’inconsistency’ in her first statement. So now there was only one reason to vote for her and I figured that I dig in a bit further.
At this point she has already explained away half of the case against her but is still picking up votes, how is that not strange to anyone else. Ya, I was still asking questions but really when half the case disappears the number of votes should at least slow down.
I don’t like list of potential scum especially when I’m wrongly put into the scum category but yes I was being a whinny bitch.
See above.
It bothered me that a case that I saw a falling apart, half of it becoming invalid and I bought the tone of Drain’s claim of vanilla town, was picking up people. As I saw the best they had her for was an inconsistency in saying that Chronos was fishing when really she thought he was leading either the scum to third parties or town power roles away from scum, which is weird but I don’t think vote worthy.
By the way I enjoy trimming quotes so it looks like you agree with me but this really does sum up what happened.
jpeg (2): OAoW, TxtKitty
Mot Scud(1): peekra
The One and Only(1): Da’Chronic
Pecear(3): Gruff, Nook, Oredigger, Brainbleed
The Dread Bean (4): amrussett, Abnormal Phase, Freudian Skit, UPSDriver
Borerigger(2): Boozy, Scuddy
Please, check for accuracy.
Catching up a bit here:
I find this a bit suspicious, Thing Fish says the case against Drain Bead has merit but seems to be expecting her to flip town. Could be scum trying to set-up the next mislynch.
From my perspective, I don’t find the voting pattern suspicious. I found myself agreeing with a lot of the points Normal Phase made back in #392. I didn’t find any of the early cases very compelling either, so it’s not that suprising some votes came in a bunch when something a bit better came along.
Normally my suspicions would be a lot more focused at this stage, so I’m wondering if we have a cautious scum team.
Similar to Thing Fish, pushing the idea that scum are trying to save Peeker.
@Tom Scud - Why are you looking at the Peeker bandwagon in particular? Do you believe Peeker’s claim?
I don’t know Alka Seltzer, I went back and checked just now and peeker had four votes to jpei’s three when the first vote on Drain Bead came in – it is possible that was a motivation behind some of the votes, if peeker is Scum and Drain Bead not. I’m not moving my vote, though.
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Quoth Alka Seltzer:
Even if that is what Thing Fish is saying, it’s not necessarily unreasonable. Until we get more information, any given player is more likely to be Town than Scum, just by virtue of sheer numbers. On Day 1, you’re not looking for someone who’s probably (that is, more than 50% likely) Scum; you pretty much have to settle for whomever you think has the highest probability of being Scum, which will typically still be under 50%.
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I hope my low post count doesn’t go against me tonight 
FTR I am town aligned - can’t stand the countryside - too much scum
I had been following the game from day 1 (or is it still day 1?) but as a player I’ll need to re-read with a little more attention. BRB.
(Too much humor?)
I’m voting for Oredigger, not peeker.
To move the convo in a different direction–Chronos, you still have your early one-off vote on OAOW, which, IIRC, was placed in order to try to get him to explain the soft claim in a bit more detail. Do you still think that’s necessary at this point, and if so, can you explain why?
Basically, I didn’t have time to look at both. I hope someone can look at the DB wagon and I’ll definitely be interested to see what comes out of that. In general I think the wagons are a better place to look for scum than instigators.
I don’t 100% believe peeker’s claim, but the case against him was never better than “Good enough for Day One”.
Incidentally, on the scumfight thing, the two games I’ve played in (not counting the Gasterd game) have featured multiple town vs. town fights on Day 1, with some scum piling on, and zero scum vs. scum fights.
Good question, Drain, I too await **Chronos’ **response.
Not sure what **Alka **is seeing suspicious (in 527 above) in my 423, or how it implied that I was “expecting Drain Bead to flip Town”. In fact, I said that the case against Drain seemed to have some merit but needed to be reviewed more. After said review, as I stated in 519, I found the case less convincing than it had seemed at first glance, which would seem to undermine the possibility that I was trying to set up a Drain wagon for tomorrow. I would also point out that (s?)he is lumping me in with Oredigger; where I only pointed out that a scum effort to save peeker was one possible explanation for the odd voting pattern, **Oredigger **rather aggressively (almost…suspiciously…so) asserted that that was the case.
And as usual, I have little idea who to vote for. I think this long Day One doesn’t help us find scum and only gives us more time to force our power roles to claim…boo. I will need to review the case against Oredigger, but for now…
(quotes bleached)
Something happened between 2:34 and 2:36 AM to make you change your mind? Really? :dubious:
vote Boozy
So, the case against Oredigger seems to boil down to him pushing the **Drain **bandwagon, but then voting for peeker. I think his posts are consistent with the simple explanation that he was pushing Drain hard to explain herself, and was ultimately satisfied with her explanation. Not seeing an obvious scum motivation for his actions:
If both peeker and Drain are Town, that’s great for scum. Why would he bother drawing attention to himself by jumping into the middle of things?
If peeker is scum and Drain is town, he went through all that to end up voting for a teammate?
If peeker is town and Drain is scum…maybe an attempt to gain cred, but it sure seemed like he was pushing Drain in earnest.
If they’re both scum, he would have been pushing another candidate entirely.
OK, although I’ve expressed grave doubts about peeker’s claim, I absolutely think we should categorically rule out lynching a claimed Doc on Day One! There are other scum we can be hunting for while waiting to see if more information on peeker manifests itself. Even if we do have backup Docs, as AllWalker points out in his next paragraph, we can’t afford to waste any because the Scum surely have extra powers to compensate.
This, combined with his “accidentally” misremembering the expressed opinions of Town in order to give us a long Day One, which, as I said, I think just gives us more time to shoot ourselves in the foot, has me starting to feel suspicious of AllWalker.
I missed this earlier but I have unvoted peeker
I prefer to base decisions on objective data rather than subjective, whenever possible, and objective data is hard to come by on Day 1. But it’s objectively known that there’s something special about Wanderers, and it’s also objectively true that he hasn’t told us what. I still think that the proper pro-Town play would be for Wanderers to tell us what he is, so I’m voting for what appears to me to be objectively anti-Town behavior. Now, toMorrow, we’ll have more information (if nothing else, the alignments of he dead), so I’ll be hopefully be able to draw some other conclusions then.
What would you say to those who contend that OAOW has the best knowledge of whether or not full disclosure would be pro-Town?
I poked at AllWalker’s other posts to see if anything scummy fell out, and nothing did. His participation in the peeker bandwagon looks the least suspicious of the bunch, IMO; he was questioning peeker’s reasoning before I placed my vote.