First off, welcome to the game Guiri and thanks for subbing in.
The poor wording in your important role-claim (emphasising the ‘A’) caused confusion, which is anti-town.
I see day 1 as crucial for getting a handle on players.
@Chronos - Which player is most likely to be scum in your opinion? I don’t object to your position on OaOW’s soft claim, but I don’t like the fact you are still pursuing a policy lynch that town has rejected.
Good to see Gryff is being more active.
I also have serious doubts about Peeker’s claim. Doctor is the canonical scum claim, as scum can say they were either roleblocked or protected the wrong person. There are more scum than doctors, so town is more likely to vote a scum who is prepared to claim than a real doctor.
Another possibility is that Peeker might be a scum power role, and is hoping for a few days alive to use those powers.
Despite this, I think the smart play for town is not to lynch a claimed doctor at this point. If Peeker is in fact scum, it’s good for town that he’s been forced into a claim, he is now highly exposed. If he is really the doctor, the scum team have to handle him. Kill or roleblock if they have that option, there are downsides to anything they choose to do.
Good idea, I’ll make sure I do this in future. It’s hard to keep track of things with so many players, I unvoted Drain Bead earlier.
I’m not concerned about his original failure to vote for leader, but his explanation of why strike me as contrived. Or greater concern is his failure to participate beyond defending himself.
I’ve read the last few posts about 8 times and I didn’t see an AllWalker vote. Am I blind, or are you confusing AllWalker and Alka Seltzer (which is remarkably easy to do)?
This is odd to me. I’ve never heard this ‘conventional wisdom’ before, and I haven’t seen this in a lot of Mafia games – though I could be forgetting some. What I have seen is scum claim doctor later in a game to try to draw a counterclaim from the real doctor, but peeker’s claim actually seems more townie to me since he wasn’t setting that up (the ‘a’ v ‘the’ question).
I don’t really understand your second sentence. Could you rephrase that maybe? It sounds like you’re saying a given claim of doctor is more likely to be scum than a real doctor… is that what you mean to say?
Alka’s statement is more or less a rephrasing of what I said about scum and doctors.
Taking some numbers out of my a… hat, lets say we have 20 players, 5 of which are scum, 2 of which are doctors and 13 are cops (short game ). Taking each lynch attempt in a metaphorical vacuum, if you were to attempt to lynch each of the scum and doctors and chart their claims, it is likely you would get 7 claims of doctor. 5 to 2 odds that a doctor is in fact scum there. So not any given claim (a phrase you used when confused by my examples earlier), but any doctor claim in such a situation is more likely scum than doctor.
I am not sure you are over thinking these examples or trying to twist them but your comments in regards to them seem a little odd to me.
Is there any way we can recuperate those 7 minutes of voting time before the end of Day 1?
I’m not sure how I feel about AllWalker’s vote for Chronos. I was actually quite impressed with Chronos’ perseverance with his vote for OaOW throughout a number of bandwagons and vote swings. If Chronos is scum and afraid of OaOW’s powers, wouldn’t he get more scum join in the vote? Don’t scum have their own private chat somewhere?
Yeah, apart from some minor speculation on why OaOW was ineligible, he hasn’t commented on anything at all except his decision not to vote. I don’t like LtL and really dislike Lynch the Noob, and with 24 players this thread is moving ridiculously fast, but jpei definitely deserves some heat.
I’d also like to hear a bit more from amrussell, USCDiver, OaOW, and TexCat.
I would like to see Chronos answer the question that Alka Seltzer posed. Does he see OAOW as being the most scummy person in the thread? If so, why does he beat out everyone else, including the several vote leaders (myself included, natch)? If not, why isn’t he voting for the most scummy?
I definitely have problems with Chronos’ vote and reasoning. First off, seeing as he’s the only one currently doing it, with others openly disagreeing with it, it’s doubtful to have the effect that he’s looking for. Second, he’s already made the record clear that he disagrees with what OAOW is doing and that’s why he’s voting. If he truly can’t see a scummier candidate, that’s one thing, but if he can, it’s time to realize that his objection has been noted for the record, and move on to someone he finds scummier. This is why I’m asking the question–the vote seems like it’s an exercise in futility at this point.
Oh, I’d also like to hear from BillMC a bit more (including a pro forma “I am Town” statement), but at least he’s been forthright about being pressed for time et cetera.
Oh, heck, and while I’m playing unelected hall monitor (this is not a role claim btw), Freudian has been quiet for a couple days after a lot of early activity.
Can people really not tell the difference between a headache remedy and a committed pedestrian?
I think it’s from the wiki on the MafiaScum site - “most doctor claims are fake”. In my one completed game the first scum claimed doctor when he was about to be lynched. I’ve also read a couple games with fake doctor claims. Personally, I’ve only seen genuine doc claims when town mass claims.
Why was that pro-town? It confused everyone, and if Peeker is a scum power role he’d have a good reason to head off a counter-claim.
Assuming there is a single doctor, 1/24 chance of picking the doctor at random. Roughly 1/4 of the players are likely to be scum. The way I see it, scum have nothing to lose by throwing in a fake doctor claim.
Oh, and because someone asked, I’m a he, both on the internet and in real life.
). Taking each lynch attempt in a metaphorical vacuum, if you were to attempt to lynch each of the scum and doctors and chart their claims, it is likely you would get 7 claims of doctor. 5 to 2 odds that a doctor is in fact scum there. So not any given claim (a phrase you used when confused by my examples earlier), but any doctor claim in such a situation is more likely scum than doctor.