You have a point, Boozy–if we’re all voting for him, the day could go on and on forever just because.
I went back and looked at the initial case against him, especially in light of AllWalker’s post above that mentioned how his non-vote for leader was even more suspicious because he had the ability to override his vote if necessary. To be honest, his posting history doesn’t give us much to go on. No votes, very little actual discussion other than defense of his ideas. I did find an amusing bit in post 320, though. He says, I’d imagine sarcastically, that he’s been “consistently avoiding talk” in response to Freudian Slit saying that scum tries to discourage us from talking. He makes another post in 375, then one more short one on page 11 or 12. And then NOTHING until page 17, where he posts a bit about the numbers game when it comes to false doc claims by scum. Sure looks like “consistently avoiding talk” to me.
Almost every jpei post to this thread has been self-defense. I think I’ve shown that you can defend yourself and still discuss other things that end up helping Town.
I’d vote jpei now but what Boozy said makes sense, so now I have no idea what to do. I don’t want yet another mislynch bandwagon to get rolling, with yet another claim.
But looking at Boozy’s post, he’s assuming that jpei is a townie. Everything you say is somewhat sensible if jpei is a townie (although I’d argue that his play doesn’t really make sense in that using his power without first claiming was VERY anti-town), but that’s a pretty broad assumption to make. And even if we discuss the fact that jpei is forestalling a mislynch, he could have claimed without using his power and THEN used it if he were still going to be mislynched. Had he claimed last night when he showed up in the thread as the vote leader, not used his powers, and given us the night and morning to discuss it and move our votes before potentially using it, I don’t think anyone would be saying he was scum now. Instead, he waited until the last possible minute and then went with the nuclear option. I think a lot of what you’ve said takes way too much of his claim at face value.
I’m not saying he made a good play, I’m saying that he was probably banking a little too heavily on the fact that you were still in the lead: I think you had it by a hair for quite some time.
I am taking his claim at face value, and you’re right, I am offering a bit too much in the way of trust in his claim. We do have mod-confirmation that he has the power he claims. Now we just have to consider whether he’s actually as pro-Town as he claims. The power, flavorwise, seems to be more towny than scummy, but flavor and a buck fi’tty will buy you a cup of coffee, I know.
I think that a reasonable question to ask at this point is why the hell would that particular power be a scum power? The only power wielded by jpei is the ability to change timing. I’m trying to think of, from a game design standpoint, what the vision of that power might have been, and I’ll be damned if I can think of how the ability to change the deadline is a benefit to scum, considering that the person exercising the power has to step up and claim the power to use it.
It seems to me that the power is intended as an anti-stalling measure, not a way to stall. I.e. if the day is dragging and we all want to lynch A, but the Leader doesn’t like that idea and won’t start the clock, secret usurper man can step up and say screw you, leader, the clock starts now.
Otherwise, the scum have basically been given the authority to break the game by ruining it for everyone else – vote for who I say, or the countdown starts in six weeks.
So, again, I think we need to separate the question of whether it was good play from the question of whether it was the most likely scum play. I don’t see the scum rationale.
Honestly, I think we should just end this Day right away; it’s gone one well long enough. Everyone expected it to end this morning, so people should probably already have their votes where they want them; the day ending over the weekend shouldn’t matter if we all already have our votes in place. Those who are online over the weekend could still change their votes, but that would look pretty fishy.
And add me to the list of folks who think that jpei is probably Town, but he did a terrible job with his power. In retrospect, it looks to me like he deliberately avoided voting on the lynch earlier so as to set up this possibility, which means that he was planning on doing this even before he took the vote lead. And this power, even if he’s genuinely Town, does pretty much nothing for Town right now, but might have been enough to swing the game if saved for the end.
You trying to attract votes, Chronos? You just advocated ending the day on a four-way tie, with the presumed tie-breaking vote (whether placed on one of those four now or on someone else now and broken later) in the hands of someone whom absolutely everyone seems to agree is not playing in a markedly pro-Town fashion. Not to mention that you placed a pre-emptive FOS on anyone who might try to change that state of affairs.
Well, we’ve got to end the Day eventually. As it stands now, jpei is Leader, and we can’t do anything about that, so between his as-yet-uncast regular vote and his tiebreaker as Leader, he’s probably going to end up deciding the lynch, anyway, unless there’s a major shift of votes.
Is it likely that the Town Governor only had one power? Something stuck me as funny about Jpei’s role PM - just one numbered item in the summary section - why number a single item in a list.
@ Chronos You’re very eager to end the day, itching for your first night kill?
Scum must be getting pretty concerned with us townfolk having 3 more days to suss you out.
interesting claim and role btw. i am inclined to say that the power as stated seems much more town oriented than otherwise. an individual that can put the brakes on a lynch and require sober reflection seems that way (having seen too many runaway trains). seriously how many times have we seen an end of day cluster that if we had a little more time to digest might not have played out so poorly for town.
unless we are convinced that jpei is town right not he controls the lynch. i would strongly suggest that we come to some sort of other alternative than allowing this to happen. if you are scum you know he will choose one way and probably be able to pull off a whoops. if you are not scum i would strongly suggest that we decide on someone so that one person’s choice does not decide the lynch. that fucks jpei if he is town and decides wrong and it gives everyone else that is not town an air of plausible deniability if we leave it the way it is.
As events happen, plans change. A goes to B, B turns into C, and a few choice words or phrases can turn everything upside down. If I had the gift of foresight, I’d just as rather the day not end this way, but that’s just how life works.
Assuming that I have minimal influence on the votes of others, the three vote leaders to concentrate on right now are peeker, Drain Bead, and Bill MC.
Drain Bead doesn’t come across as a scum to me. At any rate, she takes a back seat to the other two.
Right now, I’m leaning towards lynching BillMC. His logic is weak and his participation minimal. I know he’s often busy, but this hurts town and needs to stop.
Peeker, on the other hand, is as suspicious as can be. However, the way he dances in and out of the vote zone to goad votes without directly inviting them scares me. He’ll say something extremely scummy and retract it after a while to “show” he was sincere. I’d advocate that no medic should protect him (except for himself if he could), and that vig kills him.
Also, I was serious when I asked when the day should end. I don’t know what’s flexible for you all.
I am re-reading and the first thing I notice is the particular use of “governor” to refer to our leader. The rules just refer to a “leader” not to a governor. I note that jpie used that term in his claim, but the first time I saw it was by Boozy:
who seems to use it consistently:
But it was also used by OaOW:
I am not sure what the signficance of this is, but it looks to me like Boozy and OaOW both had PM’s that talked about “governor”. OaOW has said that his role prevents him from being governor – so it’s certainly possible that his PM used the word like jpei’s did. But I am wondering about Boozy? This seems to indicate that he might have a role similar to jpei’s.
And, of course, I am wondering what the shiny thing up their sleeves is. Clearly, there must have been more to jpei’s role than a #1. There would have had to have been a #2 and probably a #3. I am also wondering whether there might not be one potential scum governor and one potential town governor? Any comments, Boozy? jpei? OaOW?