And yes, PM me if Ped is full or if you just want to make sure someone gets it.
Yes…for the time being!
Muwahahahaha!
Just joking around!
I don’t think it’s a good idea to make me leader on the grounds of experience–I’m an experienced scum, but I’ve only played a townie for a total of maybe three game Days.
i don’t know that it is necessary that our leader be limited to someone in the states. just that they have a pretty consistent record of checking in on a routine basis since we do get twenty four hours. someone like bill would work for me. especially since he just got back from a long trip and ought to be chained to his desk for a bit.
and suggesting that we give a week advance notice to start the count down. yikes. we’ll still be playing at christmas.
I think a Miller should definitely claim early. A miller mislynch is even worse than a normal mislynch because (1) it means the Cop wasted an action and (2) Town gets almost no information from the lynch because, hey, the cop has found scum, and so pretty much everyone is going to vote for the scum. A claimed miller is going to be the target of suspicion, but better a mislynch from people’s suspicion of a claim, which will at least give you some arguments to look at, than a mislynch from a misinvestigation.
And maybe this should go without saying, but I haven’t seen anyone specifically mention it: The leader should also try not to have the Day end on a weekend day, or too early on a Monday. I’d regard any leader who cast his vote after, say, 5 PM Eastern on Thursday and before 2 PM Eastern on Sunday with serious suspicion.
Remember that we’re also electing an emergency back-up leader (the runner-up in the leader vote count) so it’s probably better if the voting is somewhat split.
I got my PM.
As far as the leader goes I think the safest way to play it is that we set a fixed point for them to vote by, at least for the first couple of Days. After that we’ll have more information on who we can trust and potentially more things to talk about or not and the Day length can become more flexible. At this point I think we need to have Day 1 end next Friday so as long as we set our deadline for sometime Thursday and avoid ties it doesn’t matter who we elect.
I think we are mostly confirmed and can start later today, but I’m waiting for Ped to double check everyone is confirmed.
The conversation about a hypothetical Miller is also going on in the just-started Disney Mafia game on the Giraffe boards, coincidentally, and here I go taking a different position than there. (That should sure make me look reliable!) But the reason is that this game is almost completely closed, and we don’t know what 3rd party roles there might be. I don’t know that we can risk giving a Jester or similar such a reliable means of getting themselves lynched.
Are there ever any 3rd party roles that win (exclusively) by getting themselves NKed? I’d guess not in a non-gastard game, as that’s such a capricious thing, but I don’t know for sure. If that’s thought unlikely, then maybe we can leave any hypothetical claimed Miller to a hypothetical Vig, but that’s a lot less reliable than being able to rely on a lynch. (And I do believe that a Miller MUST die, whether the claim was forced by investigation or not. Otherwise the role is too easy a refuge for Scum.)
What’s the risk of a Jester in this game? Low enough we can figure we’ll lynch any claimed Miller as soon as practical and just keep our fingers crossed it’s either true or a very stupid Scum? Or high enough we’d be forced to let him live and just hope for a NK? If the latter, the benefits to Town of an early claim go down.
Maybe the best thing to do would be to hold off on requesting a Miller claim until we see how many dead bodies show up in the morning. The chance of an investigator hitting a hypothetical Miller on the very first night is not huge. And the more dead bodies, the higher the chance one of the killers might be interested in taking care of any subsequent Miller issue for us, so we would not have to risk a lynch.
Another thing not mentioned yet that maybe should be obvious: as I understand it, the rule of thumb for Mafia games is that scum should be (# of players)/4 or sqrt(# of players), which would work out to 6 and 5, respectively. Which gives us 6 or 7 mislynches, all else being equal, which of course it won’t be. But just as a baseline assumption until we get better information.
I think we can dismiss the possibility of a PFK Jester (unless we see some serious hints of it in the Day 1 color or something), especially in a game this big. Why recruit 24 players just to screw them over on turn 2?
To be clear, a miller is a role that looks guilty when identified but isn’t?
Yes, A Miller is a townie who shows up as scum when investigated. Often, they are not told they are a Miller. In the last game, my role PM hinted at it, but I didn’t make the connection.
And the miller must die. Aw. That’s sad but if the reasoning goes, “No, I’m not scum, I’m probably a miller,” then I can see why.
What about power roles? I’m assuming we’re saving role claims for later down the pike, but should people with investigative roles be bread crumbing or whatnot?
I dislike power roles bread crumbing. Basically my though goes like this the odds of a single player figuring out the crumb is 1/X but once one scum figured it out they all do so the scum team’s odds are Y/X while the town odds are the opposite since they each need to figure it out on their own 1/(X*Z). All bread crumbing does is help scum find the power roles.
I would also conjecture that with this many players and an essentially open ended Day length, we’re looking at either multiple scum factions and/or Vig/SK. Otherwise this game could last until Christmas.
Anything that minimizes the influence that the leader role has on the voting process works to town’s advantage (wisdom of crowds and all that). Might it also be helpful if the leader made their voting intentions known explicitly prior to their actual vote? This would have the advantage of having an unofficial vote count that includes the leader’s “vote”. After all, aren’t most votes provisional because they can be unvoted?
Prior to casting their actual vote, may the leader make one or more mock votes in order to inform the other players of their voting intentions?
Kind of sucks to play as a Miller, but as always the challenge is to play any role to the best advantage. I agree with Tom that the benefits of an early Miller claim outweigh the drawbacks. I’m not worried about the possibility of a PFK Jester, as that would be incredibly anti-game.
I know he isn’t the most experienced player, but I’d be happy to elect Tom Scud as he seems clued-up and his posts are well thought through.
Tom Scud and AllWalker both seem like good candidates who are knowledgeable and have played a bit. Though AllWalker might be on the wrong side of the pond as was mentioned, I think.