Yeah, I brought this up after Thing Fish mentioned that his vote had been bought. I thought you may have been linked to the Politician role but it would be strange for a Politician not to be eligible for leader - surely that would be their main objective? Maybe there’s something in your role about this but it’s best you wait till it’s appropriate to claim.
Making Thing Fish vote for himself was a little weird and at the time seemed like a wasted action.
You know, I started working on a WoW on Chronos mainly because of the heat he was getting, only to find Tom Scud already did one last Night. 
I’ll post mine for comparision anyway.
WoW on Chronos:
#20, #38, #67, #68: Pre Game Fluff
#82: Suggests choosing experienced player for Day 1 leader
#88: fluff
#182: Not worried about Scum Leader as actions are public. We can see if the actions are anti-scum
#183: NETA: Actions are anti-town/scummy
#197: Mod question about OAOW
#318: Comment on Millers, dislikes jpei not voting for a Leader, comment on interaction between Tom Scud and peekercpa, FoS on peekercpa. Opposes soft claim so votes OAOW
#319: Comments on Lie Detector Role, claims town-aligned
#325: Explains reason for voting OAOW. Will move vote after finished roleclaim seemes plausible
#328: Holds OAOW accountable for what his role claim was.
#346: Comment on Lie Detector role, it can’t hurt the town if it exists.
#366: fluff
#390: comment on vote count, comment to jpei on Leader voting
#391: fluff
#408: response to Drain Bead about fishing for Scum and PFK’s
#420: response to Drain Bead about validity of two scum teams in gaem
#433: Suggests we rotate Leader position until we get confirmed players, more comments on Lie Detector role.
#477: Obviously not everyone voting for Drain Bead bandwagon was scum, possible few town in there and scum joined in.
#530: comment on likelihood of picking someone who is scum on Day 1.
#540: Prefers basing decisions on objective and not subjective data. Thinks proper town play is to claim, so is voting for anti-town play
#548: Has not seen example where full OAOW claim would hurt town. Says scum already know he has a special role.
#552: says we have to make an decision on whether play is anti-town or not
#575: Response to Drain Bead that scum will lie durnig the game.
#652: Response to normal Phase about roleclaims. Response to Alka Seltzer that OAOW is likeliest scum, question to AllWalker about his vote on Chronos. Thinks peekercpa’s claim is a bit fishy
#674: Response to peekercpa about claim, thinks scum will not choose vanilla role claim.
#752: Thinks we should end Day straightaway as everyone was expecting Day to end by then. Thinks jpei is likely town.
#755: Thinks jpei is likely to end up deciding lynch
#805: Defends his point about Day end, was not expecting anything to happen over weekend. Changes votes from OAOW to Boozahol Squid, P.I. as his play is objectively worse to his eye.
#806: fluff
#810: response to jpei he appraoches everything objectivelly.
#846: fluff + no idea about berynium stuff
#872: response to Alka Seltzer about Day ending early + comment about wanting to get on with game.
#890: Question to Drain Bead asking why she thought BillMC had a role to claim
#895, #897: fluff
#919: Comment to Drain Bead about USCDiver’s post. Question about partial testing of peekercpa’s claim.
#924: response to peekercpa partial test of claim
#944, #945 Remains suspicious of peekercpa and Response to Alka Seltzer about Day 1 Doctor Lynch
#957: comment on night kills, says we appear to have three killer, at least one not scum controlled.
#959: Comment on Gryff being leader ineligible and having a vote on him
#982: Question to Tom Scud as to why he thinks boozahol squid is confirmed town
#988: Response to Tom Scud that nothing proved at B.S, P.I. alignment but action was pro-town
#1014: Comment to Tom Scud about electing peekercpa, has thoughts on Gryff, doesn’t want B.S, P.I.as Leader so elects Oredigger77
#1020, #1021: Response to AllWalker about TexCat, only indication of trust was towards jpei.
#1026: Response to Tom Scud about peekercpa
#1060: Comment on gryff reveal not being what he expected.
#1068: comment on ttviast
#1081: Finds peekercpa’s claims scummy, says we can wait until later to find the truth
#1087: comment about BS, P.I. and gryff, more about peeker and his claim
#1141: response to Thing Fish re. berynium, comment about almost anything of JC being WIFOM
#1167: Still suspicious of BS,P.I. and transfer from Gryff means nothing
#1168, #1169, #1170: Note list for all
#1172: fluff
#1196: response to normal phase about notes, comment about colour, follows peekercpa about Tom Scud Leader vote and votes TS.
#1197: comment about instinct voting
#1278: thinks Tom Scud is likely thief role, thinks DaphneBlack roleclaim made up, asks why she did not target Drain Bead, switches vote to DaphneBlack
#1292: comment on target choice for roleblocker, thinks DBlack play was not good town and more likely scum
#1335: comment about peekercpa playing style.
#1386: comment to Alka Seltzer about berynium and confirmation. thinks one of DBlack, BS, P.I. and peekercpa are lying. Thinks there are three roleblockers in the game.
#1392: Response to BS, P.I. about claiming
#1397: Response to BS. P.I. that Alka Seltzer claim is point in favour.
#1403: Thinks we should test DBLack by having her block DBead.
#1406: response to peekercpa about Doc protection.
#1413: response to peekercpa over Doc protection.
#1417: question to peekercpa
#1446: should put no weight on vanilla claims, thinks a point in DBeads favout is she cast first vote of Day
#1457: Does not think we have two doctors, unvotes DBlack, will either vote for peekercpa or Thing Fish after review
#1498: Says he will be assuming facts not in evidence as impossible to play otherwise, mentions case against Thing Fish, gives peekercpa more rope to hang himself, considers we might have two protective roles and revotes DaphneBlack
#1503: Says he is voting for person he considers scummiest, says case against Thing Fish is weak, but does not know if she is innocent
#1505: response to peekercpa
#1511, #1513, #1516: fluff
#1550: comment about lack of overlap between two lynch bandwagons
#1553: comment about Thing Fish list incomplete due to vote buyer
#1557, #1571, #1572: fluff
#1581: Response to DBead that he voted for most suspicious ie. DBlack as he does not believe her roleclaim.
#1618: Thinks extra killer is Vigilante not SK, Elects Gryff considering him semi-confirmed Town
#1639: As Gryff not electable, considers BS, P.I, more confirmed so votes him. Lays out 5 explanations on DBlack.
#1651: comment on game colour and DBlack’s role.
#1652: comment to DBead about what DBlack found out.
#1661: question to Scuba_ben about doily?
#1663: Response to Tom Scud about voting for Chronos while saying slghtly confirmed by JC behaviour
#1671: claims post was not anti-daphne, repeats he voted for person he thought likely scum.
#1678: says Day 1 vote was a policy vote, saying OAOW and BS P.I. were more likely scum
#1681: fluff
#1695: Response to Alka Seltzer about DaphneBlack, wants to see her target someone else, question to DBLack about investigation result
#1696: thinks Tom Scud is wrong and votes Tom Scud for for inconsistencies
#1708: program talk, also not false claiming vig.
#1710: program results
#1715: program chat
Anyway, looking through it there is not much analysis for so many posts. A lot of it is arguing points with other people.
I would say he is fairly consistent about going after people with soft claims, except he isn’t. He has gone after OAOW, Boozahol Squid, P.I., peekercpa, DaphneBlack, but appears to have completely missed Alka Seltzer. Of course, I may be mistaken, but it does not look as though his suspicion of OAOW has transferred to Day 2 despite the soft claim. Most of his play has been pressuring soft claims from people from whoever is the hot target for the Day.
Voting on Day 1 as a policy vote. Well, it gives a reason that can be stated later, but that’s all it is. Not much can be read into it unless the rest of his play is consistent with that line (see above)
Voting on Day 2: The Vote for the person considered scummiest. I would be curious to know then, why he didn’t vote for peekercpa instead of DaphneBlack. Given Thing Fish’s claim, town play would be to lynch the absent player instead of a claimed protection role. What I don’t understand is why he unvoted DaphneBlack and then revoted afterwards. It didn’t change anything and looks like it was for show more than anything else.
Day 3 vote: That’s pretty much OMGUS on Tom Scud for not following JCs apparent actions, even though he was scum.
No, Tom Scud, I’m taking up your offer to do a WoW on you. :eek:
NETA: Not taking up your offer to do a WoW. Definitely Not taking up offer. I have a life somewhere.
Just for note: if you read my vote it does say that it was pending a roleclaim from Thing Fish (which I wasn’t around to see, unfortunately). In which case it would have been switch to FS (pending her roleclaim as well).
@Tom Scud: Also any reason for not including **GuiriEnEspana **in that list who tied the votes up for FS and Thing Fish?
I don’t see it in this post, but why were you ready to unvote FS?
Seems like he said it in the post itself, third paragraph.
Vote Count:
Gryff (1)
Chronos(5): Drain Bead, Tom Scud, Normalphase, Oredigger, USCDiver
Tom Scud (1) : Chronos
USCDiver(1) : Oneandonly
/snipped
I’ve been wondering about that too but thought it may have been a bit silly to ask why he wasn’t doing a WoW on me. Maybe I didn’t come out as bad from this fiasco as the others as I’d expressed a concern both before and after nightfall about not being around to change my vote in light of further info from Thing.
Apparently my preferred style of play is to choose which bandwagons to climb on and which not. Since analysis is not my forte apparently, I’ll guess I’ll have to embrace my nature as a low-information voter. I will be away for most of today, so I would like to put a marker down.
As of right now Chronos is not only the runaway vote leader for being lynched, but the only player this Day who is under serious pressure. I am very open to having an alternative candidate to consider. That said, Chronos is by far the most suspect player remaining. Compared to the amount of energy he spends on big-picture theorizing and on arguing minor points, there’s quite a bit less engagement around the issues that drive votes.
Vote Chronos
Because I misremembered the order the votes came in, and followed the final vote order (which of course included an unvote/revote from Guiri) instead of checking back on it - I thought you’d voted before him/her. Also probably some confirmation bias on my part since I’d already voted you twice :).
I should definitely have mentioned Guiri even based on my recollection; and would have mentioned him/her more prominently in my summation. I need to do a WoW there some time anyway as I don’t have a strong sense one way or t’other.
Vote Count:
Gryff (1)
Chronos(6): Drain Bead, Tom Scud, Normalphase, Oredigger, USCDiver, Tiltawhirl
Tom Scud (1) : Chronos
USCDiver(1) : Oneandonly
Correction: it WAS one hell of a Scum team.
I was referring to you not saying what all your items are or what they do. IIRC Chronos has not pressured you on that.
That sounds like you have some specific ramification in mind. What is it?
That prompted me to go back and look at who Thing Fish unvoted, in order to cast that vote on himself – it was Freudian Slit.
I’m having a really hard time figuring out any motive at all for this. TF revealed the Politician had been after him in the same post in which he claimed, so the order was sent in prior to the claim. It can’t, therefore, have been done by Scum who wanted to get rid of a specific power role. (Or at least, not with full knowledge. It’s maybe barely possible some enterprising Scum could have kept a list of those players who suspected peeker most openly and taken a stab that TF might be the second Doctor based on that (they’d have been almost certain peeker was telling the truth), but that’s a heck of a stretch.
Another possibility (more likely, IMO, if it was Scum) is it was done to cast suspicion on Freudian Slit down the line, or to help pressure Thing Fish into claiming.
If it was a Town player who did that, it was a bad move, and not just because of the outcome. As mentioned above, TF had not yet claimed; and there was nothing about amrussell’s evidence that should have absolutely foreclosed the possibility she might be wrong.
Having tried and failed to get through Drain Bead’s posts the other day, this made me crack up.
In other words, FS has dropped out because she likely has nothing interesting in the game and so probably vanilla? As such, no point voting for her.
Is that correct?
Speaking of which, I have a Drain Bead wow in process. I’ll see if I can finish it and maybe do one on Guiri by the end of the Night.
Well, for starters, my main objection to you is that you are striking me strongly as “not-Town”, and have been ever since Day One. The Lie Detector thing leads me to believe it is unlikely you are Scum, but I’m not prepared to rule it out. I just think that PFK is more likely, so that’s what I’ve been focusing on.
In any case, on to your main point: SKs are certainly not indistinguishable from vanilla Town. Some of the ways in which they differ:
– Vanilla Town’s only incentive to stay alive as such is whatever investment they have in playing the game. They can still win if they’re dead, and Town loses no powers if they die. A serial killer must stay alive, or they lose. Only Scum can really ruin a VTs day. SKs have to worry about everyone.
– Vanilla Town (and Town in general) are as a rule concerned primarily with the alignment of other players, and much less so with their roles. Serial killers must also learn alignment, but Town will by necessity do most of that work. Town won’t intentionally reveal the critical roles, though (usually; this game has had a crazy number of claims for Day Three), and Scum won’t help them either – they have to do that on their own.
– Motives in lynching differ. SKs, no matter how much they are trying to blend in, want Town power roles dead first, Scum and other 3rd party power roles dead second, and everybody else as opportunity presents. Town wants Scum and PFKs first and second, VT third, Town power roles last.
The first point can make for an unusually cautious player. The second and third can make for inconsistent and/or unconvincing reasons for doing things, as the player’s need to blend in fights their need to take steps to protect themselves from power roles. I think you fit the profile quite well.
For an example of SK-style caution, check out day 2 and 3, particularly, of Inblourious Gasterds, which puts the tendency under a magnifying glass. Watch the whole “town” sit around staring at each other until finally someone decides to lynch the lurker. Then repeat.
Just because he was asked to display his program doesn’t make it more Pro-town. Unless he’s changed the program since the last time I saw it, it is a very anti-town distraction. It is based on one assumption that we can’t know (number of scum) and another that is easily manipulated by Scum (that scum will vote for town more than scum). In the past games where I’ve seen it used, I’ve never seen it provide any useful data with which to guide lynches but I have seen it occupy a significant amount of discussion.
If you’re unvoting me, you used the wrong color.
Ooops
unvote USCDiver
up to page 9 in my re-read. This could take a while…
Pfft… I don’t have that many posts!