Has Scylla never been Pitted before?! No matter. His/her/its shamelessly and openly genocidal comments in this thread should be sufficient to justify the thread title, and I have no doubt many other Dopers can come up with equally rich examples.
It’s distasteful but rather common among everyday people you meet on the street, at least in my experience. “I don’t understand! We have the best military in the world, why aren’t we bombing these people until they do what we want!”
But, Dopers, even shitstain-conservative Dopers, are supposed to be several cuts above the everyday people, are we not? But Scylla meets not even that barely acceptable standard.
The gist of this complaint has been eloquently covered previously by the estimable clairobscur Ras-le-bol
The plain truth of this board’s double standard is unarguable. My humble contribution bears only a mild revisit:
Perhaps they should codify such rules. I myself have been lately harassed throughout Great Debates by moderators for after comments entirely innocent of Scylla’s bile.
That said, Scylla’s comments: There was a section of the American community that was overjoyed at the absence of WMD in Iraq, doubtless including him. Why? Because it established that even though they have to give a reason for going to kill a lot of Arabs, it doesn’t have to be a good one. But it was not an unalloyed joy. Why? Because the champion of red USA, at a point of unparalleled support, even then was compelled to make concessions to to the enemy. The educated and contemplative class that will always govern enough of the USA.
Pay no mind to Scylla’s fantasies, expected and natural as they are for his breeding. It’s impotence, the death rattle of a vision and presages the life of alcoholism and wife-beating attending to that under-class.
Some of us even aspire to, oh, I don’t know … not hurling hate-filled invective at people based on political orientation.
Outside of him saying that we should fight to win, I don’t see him saying anything genocidal. He brings up General Sherman and tactics way more than he brings up Islam.
Now you might think those tactics are stupid or immoral, but that’s a lot different from saying that they’re genocidal.
I don’t know why you guys are falling for this. The issue in that thread was the lack of data on car bombings. Now, of course we’ve been told that we should give the surge a chance to work. But, we’re not allowed the data that would tell us if the surge is working. You see the problem here for an administration supporter. What Scylla has artfully managed to do is to derail that thread so that we don’t discuss the actual issue at hand–the lack of data on car bombings.
Further notice that his long, rambling posting was full of platitudes and innuendo, but short of actual specifics. We’re supposed to wage “total war,” whatever that means, and if we don’t wage “total war,” then we’re defeatist who will let Al-Queda march into Iowa. But there’s no specifics as to what we’re supposed to do. Are we supposed to use Dresden-style bombings and flatten cities? Is that part of this nebulous “total war” we’re supposed to be waging? Who knows? He’s not saying. We just have to be like Sherman and wage total war. See, you can’t actually advocate mass slaughter of civillians when our post-facto justifications for invading Iraq was freeing those same civillians from the tyranny of Saddam.
And in the end, this is nothing more than flashing shiny objects. Scylla isn’t interested in determining what option will make America most secure. He doesn’t want people to actually discuss what would make America secure, so he takes potshots, namecalls, and advances vague, nonsensicals theories. It’s time we stop letting people like Scylla frame the debate. They are the people who are working to make America less secure, and it’s time we called them on it.
I admit that’s a plausible theory, but personally I don’t think Scylla was being Machiavellian. I think Scylla honestly never gave a thought as to whether he was on-topic or not. He just got his dander up and decided he had to come blustering down from the mountain to dispense his home-spun wisdom over the nasty, wicked liberals.
Well, ok. You know him better than I do. If Scylla wishes to state his motivations, I’ll accept them at face value. In any case, regardless of his motivations, I think his actions and the actions of this administration and its supporters have the effect of making America less secure.
He defines genocide as a victory condition.
And he says it may be necessary to genocide the Iraqis at some point.
No, no, no. Don’t you see? We must take some steps (“Total War” steps) in order to prevent having to resort to genocide. What are those steps? Why they’re “Total War” steps of course. It has something to do with Sherman, I think. How? Well, Sherman fought “Total War.” I hope I cleared that up for you.
Disgusting if not surprising considering the source.
What I’d really like to know is if advocating genocide of all adherents to a particular faith (Muslims, in this case) is within the implicit rules of the SDMB?
To my way of thinking, said call goes waaay beyond the “don’t be a jerk” rule and into mental disease territory – as in a mass-murderer’s delusional paranoia. Even still, if we stipulate that’s a valid assessment, does it excuse the poster’s behavior? Because if it does, anything goes.
After all, we can then say anything we want and pull the mental disorder card as some sort of ‘justification.’
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Don’t be silly. Whether you agree with the position or not, it was put forth in an honest and straightforward manner, without regard to the race or religion of our enemy. Indeed, it concerned only tactics.
No honest moderator would do a thing about it when they’ve let far worse things slide.
Its an old song, to explain why the biggest, baddest, John Wayneist country in the world loses a war. First verse is about how we would have won, but the liberal pansies tied our hands. Second verse: we are too nice. Everybody else is cruel and ruthless in war, but not us. Too nice, that’s us. Only possible explanation.
It is entirely possible to change sensible and humane American kids into killbots.
But how do you change them back?
Perhaps one of you sanctimonious assholes would care to quote the exact words with which Scylla advocated genocide.
Learn to read, ignorant cornhole.
Swing and a miss, strike one Red.
I did. There is nothing about genocide anywhere in Scylla’s post, nor anything that could legitimately be inferred as advocacy of genocide.
Again, somebody please quote the exact words where Scylla clearly advocates genocide.
How Der Trihs reads this sentence…
and how I read the sentence.
Throwing out a far fetched end-game proposal isn’t neccesarily voicing support for that proposal.