That’s a definition unique to you.
Calling Brazil84 a liar is like calling the Sahara a bit dusty.
“for at least many” 
First of all, that’s a different point. The “no such thing as race” argument is separate and distinct from the “zero evidence” argument. You are trying to shift from one to the other.
Second, your claim that there is “zero evidence” is completely false. On the contrary, there is overwhelming evidence that the intelligence gap is due to genetics.
Last, I’ve asked you repeatedly now to answer two simple, reasonable questions which would let me understand your position. As far as I can tell, you have completely ignored them.
I have no interest in engaging with people who refuse to answer reasonable questions so that I can understand their position.
Goodbye.
A statement like needs to be documented with a few comments by brazil84 that you consider to be lies. Statements you disagree with but cannot disprove do not qualify. Nor do legitimate mistakes by brazil84.
Actually The Tao’s Revenge, it is your statement that seems glib and devoid of content.
I wanted my definition to include the Ashkenazim, which have existed as a biological entity since the Dark Ages, and groups of humans that have been biologically distinct for over 10,000 years, such as whites and Orientals. The ancestors of whites and Orientals left Africa about 60,000 years ago. They split about 40,000 years ago. One group moved west into Europe. The other group moved east, eventually populating the Far East, and building impressive civilizations.
Thank you for making this point.
But I should add that Tao’s Revenge and I have some history here. He is a bit sore (apparently) that I called him out for misrepresenting my position and then put him on my ignore list.
If anyone is curious, here is the thread where I laid out his misrepresentation of my position:
Those who defend what you aptly call “the egalitarian hypothesis” cannot advance their position using facts and logic, so they resort to logical fallacies, in this case the straw man argument.
This again? No one here is defending the “egalitarian hypothesis”. Excellent demonstration of the straw man.
You know, with all the shit I’ve been through in my life, I always found triumph in the fact that I wouldn’t let it make me hard, and cold, and cruel. You can do anything to me but you will never stop making me care, and I proudly wear my heart on my sleeve. I never realized that could extend to people like you, NDD. You go through life taking out your pain on others, and that is the opposite of the person I want to be. So I owe you an apology. Better yet, I owe myself an apology, for allowing one ignorant racist to corrupt my good will. The Buddha taught that unskillful action comes from ignorance, not malice. As soon as we realize how thoroughly dependent we are on one another for existence, then we could no more hate another than we could our own self. It’s so easy to draw a line between me and you instead of recognizing our shared humanity, our shared circumstance. I don’t know why you think and behave the way you do, but hating you isn’t going to change you. All I can do is hope your eyes will be opened, and stand ready to assist you if you need help through the process. Let me know if you ever want to have a real conversation about race.
Bullshit it’s different. What kind of pedantic, evasive nonsense is this?
You’ve repeatedly and steadfastly ignored exactly these points and you simply refuse to acknowledge your own failure of intelligence when it’s pointed out.
Apparently, you’re so bad at science that you don’t even recognize this as a fundamental point.
Also…
There’s ZERO EVIDENCE THAT ALIENS ARE MIND CONTROLLING YOU.
In NDD and braz world, apparently that means we can’t rule it out as nonsense until evidence to the contrary is produced.
Personally, I prefer the mind-control scenario. It’s much comforting to think such stupidity isn’t natural. Unfortunately, that’s not how science works.
Funny that this level of evidence (which is incomplete and contradictory at best) is called “overwhelming,” while of global warming—for which there is literally overwhelming evidence and consensus— 84 remains a die-hard skeptic and conspiracy theorist. From the outside, it almost looks like someone who forms his own “proof” first, then goes searching for only the evidence that supports it. No evidence? Of course not, because THE TRUTH is being suppressed for purely political reasons.
But that’s not important. The REAL point is nailing down who does and doesn’t believe in the “Egalitarian Hypothesis,” or whether a group of newly-created strawmen believe that height is determined solely by environment. Until we address these crucial points, we can never zoom out to the big picture.
In other words you’re just making shit up as to what constitutes a “race.” But that’s been obvious all along.
My definition of race is in essential agreement with this definition:
A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
A genealogical line; a lineage.
What matters is that members of a race can be identified by DNA testing, and that they share a common ancestry.
Germans can be identified through DNA testing?
Dude, you’re now drawing your understanding of genetics from a Webster’s dictionary. That’s sad.
I do not engage with this poster because of his refusal to answer reasonable questions about his position.
I am not interest in having discussions with people who hide their positions behind a cloak of ambiguity.
Translation: I am not interested in having discussions with people who make intelligent points and refuse to play my silly little games.
The first part of this statement is partially right- detailed DNA analysis can generally show what populations your ancestry comes from- like ~30% Yoruba, ~20% Han Chinese, and ~50% French, for example. But populations do not always correspond to the popular conception of “race”.
The second part of your statement is false. I can’t believe you’re still saying this crap- the Yoruba and the San, for example, are farther apart then the Yoruba and the French, or the Yoruba and the Han Chinese. The Yoruba have a more recent common ancestor, population-wise, with the French and Chinese (they show the exact same distance from both, so it’s probably the exact same common ancestor they have with both) then they do with the San.
So if you think the Yoruba and the San (or all “black” Africans) have a common ancestor that is more recent than any “black” African populations have with Eurasians, you are absolutely 100% false.
Germans who are not descended from recent non European immigration can be identified by DNA testing. It will demonstrate that they have more in common genetically with Scandinavians than with Irish, or with those speaking a language that has descended from Latin as their first language.
Earlier I provided my own definition of race.
There are three quite different definitions there, but I’m not surprised you didn’t notice.
At any rate, by any of those definitions the “black” and “Oriental” races don’t exist.