And as we can not do it in this thread, I have to give a honorary +1 to **Smeghead **too.
No, you, in particular, are a fucking moron on any subject you post on, whether it’s race or global warming. You’re stupid, you’re a liar, and completely undeserving of anything but ridicule.
I’m not interested in wasting time debating you, you moron, because (to reiterate) you’re a fucking moron.
Well, gosh, thanks guys. These threads have been interesting for me and have forced me to really think about some topics around how science works, and how much of that process is really not well understood by non-scientists. I’ve mentally composed some lecture-like responses attempting to lay out exactly where and how NDD has departed from actual scientific thinking and procedure, but I just don’t have the time right now to get them typed up. I think it would be useful for me to do someday, not just because of NDD, but because we get a lot of pseudo- and antiscientists on the boards, and it would be good to have some of these ideas laid out clearly. Maybe someday.
On another note, a big reason I’ve backed way off of the GD thread is simply because my daughter was born a couple of weeks ago, and having her around has made me appreciate all the more that life is so much better than racist idiots want it to be. The world is a fantastic place. People in general are far better than NDD and his ilk. The world has largely (though of course not entirely) moved past their evil, and will not regress to their worldview again. He is irrelevant. His ideas are done. He can yammer all he wants, but he will be ignored. Let him yammer. I have a beautiful baby daughter who needs me, and I have a beautiful world to show her. My time is too precious to waste on him.
Congratulations on your new daughter, I fall in love with my girl every day all over again. May she always be the light of your life.
One hopes she has the GDP genes !
Congrats for sure. One hopes your example provides your daughter a good starting point in life.
As for NDD and b84, I read a novel recently that reminded me of another good definition of an insane theory.
A person’s theory is insane if it makes logically sense to that person but to no (or few) other people. Basically, it’s internally logically consistent but not externally logically consistent.
A person’s theory is not insane (but may still be wrong) if it can be shown to be rational externally as well as internally.
While that’s been an implicit feature of all the responses to NDD and B84, it just struck me (for the billionth figurative time) how true it was in this thread.
Of course, in pretty much a Catch-22, if somebody has an insane theory, they probably don’t have the capability to realize their theory is insane. As NDD has already claimed, contrary evidence is simply concessions to “political correctness” or some other nonsense (which again, makes no external sense but fits in the crazy internal world he’s created). I guess it really doesn’t add much to the discussion, but it was a minor enlightenment for me.
Well, I did think of a crude test of that hypothesis: can you identify which of these people are from Pakistan (3), which are from Sri Lanka (3) and which are from East Asia (3)?
It’s not something I’d need to ascertain often, but it can be handy when trying to describe an individual to a person that’s never met them.
Uhm.
Perhaps the term you wanted was “second order signifiers”?
Accepting racism as untrue is not difficult for me. However, if I were to create a world without racism, I would abandon the minimal group paradigm, imperialism and the other race effect. As I’d expect any empathetic (let alone benevolent) creator to do.
Care to clarify? Are the people of Chilé better off having been exposed to Hayek, Nozick and Leo Strauss than the Swedish and Bakunin, Proudhon and Kropotkin?
Interesting question. Why don’t Ashkenazi Jews have the highest lifespans and lowest murder rates? Why aren’t they the best at warfare if military victory correlated to “superiority”?
In which respect? Hip hop does encompass more than just rap, with MCing covering both rap music and beatboxing and hip hop music also expanding to cover turntablism.
If you’re dismissing the genre as a whole, I think you’re being too hasty. Dead Prez, Brand Nubian, OFWGKTA, Elro and Juice News are highly creative rap artists in my opinion. Mainstream artistic expression was more limited in the era soul was popular in and I think it’s evidenced in the fact that the Isley brothers produced cruft towards the end of their career.
Apart from Bob Inglis.
Finally someone sheds a tear for Breivik.
Not in an IWA union - international solidarity and all that.
Shall we start with the Levant or Egypt?
Too much to ask for him to appreciate Popper I suppose.
Funny, Murray has been divorced more often than most Americans (at once).
He was poaching the concept from Leviticus. Or… well, anywhere. If nobody had thought of it before Jesus, there would not be a literate society to preach it to.
Social conflict and relative deprivation theory explain crime through poverty.
Earlier in the thread, you claim homicide rates are good indicators of the overall rate of crime in a country.
You also espouse “a draconian criminal justice system”.
How do you explain that the only European country to practice capital punishment in the past 10 years, Belarus, has a higher homicide rate than a country (Montenegro, for the purposes of comparison) with a lower GDP that outlawed capital punishment recently?
Why does Thailand have a higher rate than Morocco or Sweden? Why does New Zealand have a lower rate than Israel?
Why are murder rates lower in states without capital punishment?
I dislike flak, but whether one propounds that advertising has a toxic effect on the state of journalism, that blacks should be denied places at universities because they are genetically inferior or that Anatoly Fomenko should determine our calendars, they’re going to receive it. Not in equal measures, of course.
What astounding ignorance of history.
So, conservatives are not confident in any of their beliefs?
If I prayed, I’d pray he were adept at cunnilingus.
Heh. In the time of the Free Soil Party, free labour was actually held as the antithesis to slavery. People were free to work for the product of their own labour, without a tithe to the owners of the land. Perhaps that was what you were decrying though, given that free labour was perceived as inimical to industrialism.
Have you been away? this is a rather tardy reply. Anyway, yeah, I could take a stab at it :
P-S-E
E-P-E
P-S-S
would be my wild guesses in that matrix. But I fail to see the point - the issue isn’t one of identification, but terminology, and the necessity of separate terms.
And I don’t doubt that I could find 3 Sri Lankans who looked Pakistani, or 3 Indian-looking Chinese, if I looked hard enough. That’s one of the points we make when we ask the racists what race they would assign Andaman Islanders, for example - you can’t really tell much about genetics by looking, even if you can group similar peoples visually.
Only if you need them to pick them out of a crowd without you being there, I’d say.
Then why did you respond to brazil84’s post? You obviously have nothing intelligent to say about an important topic.
If that is a fact, provide some documentation. Your assertion that one 100 percent African Negro may be more closely related to a Caucasian than to a another 100 percent African Negro requires some very convincing documentation.
We’ve already done this, so so many times. The Yoruba, as a population, are closer to Eurasians, genetically, then to San. Look at figure 1 here: Nigerians/Yoruba are closer to Chinese and the French, genetically, than to the San of south-eastern Africa.
And what on earth does “100 percent African Negro” even mean?
Yes, thank you. 
You identified them correctly. I was choosing the first few unobscured images from google. In my experience, I can’t immediately identify whether someone is from Pakistan or Sri Lanka by sight, though I could tell whether someone was from a further Eastern country (with notable exceptions: in the absence of other information, I’d assume Dawkins was American and Obama was Kenyan). That may have been the example of the other race effect in action.
Of course, I don’t think wishing to describe a person’s characteristics accurately means anything about their genes other than melanin and other minor things. I just can’t imagine describing someone as swarthy and with epicanthic eye folds without sounding more colonial.
Are you claiming that only people who are “100 percent African Negro” are “black”?
Also, please define “Caucasian”.
It’s the next hedge. It’s a classic “No True Scotsman” argument just waiting to happen.
“Well, the Yoruba and San aren’t actually 100 percent sub-Saharan African Negroes, like the Blacks in America are (even if I’m such a douche I keep ignoring that there’s significant mixture from white Europeans there).”
It would be amusing to see a racist such as we have here make up so many things to justify why he dislikes blacks so much… if it weren’t so sad that we still have people so hate filled.
Oh, for fuck’s sake! Does this look familiar at all, you evasive shitstain? Because it was posted in your own fucking GD thread by Colibri.
Of course, expecting you to be able to read a phylogenetic tree is too hopeful, but still - there it fucking well is. And there’ve been plenty more posted in both threads.
Generally I don’t have a problem, but then they’re two end points - I think it’d be a lot harder if you were to you factor Indians into it as well.
…and that’s the feeling I get when I hear people being called “Oriental” - it makes my neocolonialist spidey senses tingle.
Like hearing someone calling people “Negro” in this present day makes my racist alarms go off. Sure, it might be an archaic turn of phrase retained from Civil Rights days or somesuch - but it’s more likely to be a racist, IMO.
Anyone who isn’t Neeegro or Mongoloid, silly!
Certainly! It was proven quite conclusively by the HapMap consortium, amongst many others. The HapMap is a project that, as an offshoot to the Human Genome Project, is attempting to map several million documented SNPs across different human populations. The initial project launched with four ethnic populations: Han Chinese, Japanese, Yoruba Nigerians, and Utahns of Northern and Eastern European Ancestry (this group had already been established). Since then, they have added 11 more populations, including two more sub-Saharan African populations. All of these individuals have now been genotyped at between 1.5 milllion and 3.1 million sites to determine their SNP genotype at each position. This has allowed direct comparison of these different groups by a huge variety of statistical measures.
Here are a few papers to get you started. It’s been several years since I read them, and when I did read them, I was more interested in figuring out how to use their dataset to map natural variation in DNA repair capacity than in disproving racists, so I can’t point you directly to the relevant sections, but I’m sure with your keen scientific brain, that won’t be a problem:
Here’s an initial description of Phase I.
And of Phase II.
A quick scan of those shows a table detailing levels of IBD (that’s Identity By Descent) amongst the populations. Note how the Yoruba’s value is far smaller than the others. There’s one little tidbit for you.
Oooh. Here’s a paper where they look specifically at IBD at a particular gene across all the Phase III populations. I don’t remember reading that one, but it’s in my system, so I must have.
Oh, hey, This one’s interesting too. Remember how a while ago I talked about how, if someone wanted to actually do the research you keep claiming has been done, they’d have to look at the differences between white and African populations? Well, they actually made a start at that in that paper. Specifically, they looked at differences in mRNA levels between the European HapMap population and the Yoruba population. They found about 400 areas that were differentially expressed between the populations. Congratulations! There are some genetic differences between these populations (note that Yoruba Nigerians is a far better description of a population than is “African”). So what genes were differentially expressed? Were they all found in the neurons responsible for balancing checkbooks and, I don’t know, dancing? Look at Table 1. The genes are responsible for the following things: ribosome biogenesis. Antimicrobial response. tRNA processing. mRNA breakdown. And cell-cell adhesion. WOW!!! That’s the difference between white Europeans and this group of Africans. One of us is better at making tRNA. Yep. Time to shove 'em all into the ghetto.
Anyway, there are some actual scientific papers for you to enjoy. I look forward to hearing your explanation as to why the thousand or so authors of those papers are all wrong.
Wow, that tree is fascinating. I highly encourage anyone interested in human genetics to take a gander.