Nonsense, I interpreted the phrase in a reasonable way, and you accused me of being a moron for doing so. Besides which, it’s not my responsibility to define the terms you use. If you use a phrase, and in your view I have misinterpreted it, then it’s up to you to explain what you meant.
By the way, can I take it you no longer dispute that “simple observations” can sometimes “cut it” even when studying complicated phenomenon?
Lol, that’s not my argument at all. But I’m sure it gives you great pleasure to attack strawmen.
“Having lived 3 score and 2 years on this planet, and having interacted with thousands of whites and blacks alike, I have come to the conclusion that whites are less intelligent to blacks. How, you might ask? Through simple observation. I get a sense of how intelligent people are through conservation.”
How would you respond to the above assertion, brazil84? How would you respond to someone who used simple observation but came to the opposite conclusion? Hint: there is a reason people tend to quantify phenomenon through more rigorous means.
Postjudices. But of course I would pay careful attention to quantifiable measurements which contradicted the conclusions I reached from simple observation. However, such measurements overwhlemingly confirm what I have informally observed.
Which country would that be? Japan? Germany?
By the way, do you still maintain that " The genetic marker idea is my] own assertion. "?
Or do you admit you were wrong on that point?
Also, can you please answer the question I asked you in post 1152?
I wouldn’t discount the propositions; instead, I might make an extremely qualified assertion.
“Among the males and females I have observed, I note that males tend to be taller than females, but I cannot form a definite conclusion about which gender is taller on average. Nor can I quantify the magnitude of height difference between the genders.”
Wow. This is completely made up- you couldn’t possibly have any data that supports this. How do you know their “black” ancestors weren’t brilliant?
When was it ascertained through research? Can you cite the first scientific study which did so?
And are you saying that before that, it was unreasonable for anyone to conclude that men are inherently taller thanwomen?
Does the paper make assertions that the difference is inherent in men and women?
Lol, insults can’t substitute for actual facts and logic.
Absolutely. Probably better than you.
And you are engaged in the former.
If not, then you should able to lay out clear criteria for your claim that races don’t exist and then you should be willing to test your criteria by applying them to other groups.
But of course you are unwilling or unable to do so. Because you are engaged in special pleading.
Can “ethnic Germans” be “grouped by their genes?” Can “Ashkenazim” be “grouped by their genes?”
If so, how?
Oh I comprehend – I comprehend that you are being evasive. Because you don’t want to own up to your special pleading.
Studies show that children with low intelligence are more likely to hold prejudiced beliefs as adults.
Lol, you are the one who is unaware of your own behavior.
Do you realize that you – an anonymous person on the internet – are insisting without any references that the Oxford Online Dictionary is flat out wrong?
We’re talking about “blacks”, not “ethnic Germans” or “Ashkenazim”. Why do you keep changing the subject? If you disagree, can you explain why?
The same way I would respond if they asserted that their observations indicated that women are taller than men. That their observations are incorrect. Duh.
Your original thesis was that blacks are less intelligent than whites on average.
Are you now saying that blacks are categorically stupid and any intelligence that President Obama has was derived from his white side? Does Obama entirely owe his IQ to his white side? Couldn’t Obama’s father have been an “outlier” and have been an exceptionally smart person?
No, it is entirely possible to make assertions that men are taller than women or vice versa. One should ideally, however, realize the limitations of such an assertion - one problem being the sample size, another problem being that one is unable to quantify the magnitude of height difference through simple observation alone. Upon realizing such limitations, one should ideally refrain from taking his “conclusion” as gospel and start applying that assertion to disparate groups with superficial similarities.
Colibri is not an “anonymous person on the internet”. He’s made quite clear who he is in several other threads.
Obviously because you lied here, nothing you post can be trusted and you are a filthy liar.
But height, as already noted, is an easily determined, quantifiable dimension of our phenotypes. You can easily determine who is taller just by looking, as easily as you can tell who is darker skinned.
That’s all fine and dandy, however, if you then assert that taller people are faster swimmers than shorter people, I’m going to have to ask for some more rigorous observation and study to substatiate your claims.
If you tell me darker skin has some genetic factor correlated to lower intelligence, this is an exponentially more complicated situation that would require substantial evidence in no less a rigorous study than the Scientific Method.
b84 and NDD have not employed and continue to vehemently ignore scientific evidence, tme and time again. Furthermore, they have less and less ground to argue their ill conceived notions on and resort to using overly-simplistic metaphors and equivocation that just doesn’t apply to the discussion at hand in the slightest.
Please produce evidence for that.
Barack Obama’s father was Ph.D. His white mother wasn’t.
How do you know that Obama’s intelligence doesn’t come from his father?
Furthermore, how do you know that Pushkin’s brilliance didn’t come from his Ethiopian grandfather.
Moreover, if you believe that Pushkin and Obama aren’t “black” but are really “mulattoes” why have you regularly used the term “black” and “negro” when referring to African-Americans since the overwhelming majority of African-Americans, like Obama and Pushkin are of mixed ancestry.
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I agree to a large extent, and it’s the same thing with race and intelligence. Based on simple observation, blacks are noticeably less intelligent that whites, but I would not try to quantify the difference (for example claim that it’s a one standard deviation difference) based on simple observation alone.
I’m also completely open to evidence which undermines my conclusion. For example, if Haiti were a wealthy, safe industrialized nation, I would start to think that it’s likely that black underachievement really is the result of white racism.
Brazzy, we know you’re stupid, but please don’t tell me you’re one of those idiots who thinks that dictionaries define words.
They don’t. They merely give common understandings.
Please define “blacks” and “whites”?
For example, what race are Turks, Palestinians, Iraqis, Moroccans, Persians, and Pakistanis?
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The “I know what you are but what am I” response hasn’t stopped being puerile in the last few posts.
That’s a lie, of course. I didn’t say that.
But this of course is part of your usual strategy of seizing on some triviality to deflect attention from your own stupidity, ignorance, and dishonesty.
Asshole.