I’m having trouble wrapping my head around how this could be seen as relevant. It makes no sense to me at all; FF isn’t a double-entry accounting game. But even if it is, then passing touchdowns are counted four times: 1) passing touchdown, 2) receiving touchdown, 3) passing yards, 4) receiving yards.
Only a few shutouts are affected, true, but every game with a defensive score is affected. I’ll note that in the Jets/Texans game that started this, the Texans defense was penalized a point on PA for the extra point after the kickoff return.
Also, any return or trunover where the offense starts with the ball in the redzone, and the defense holds them to 3 & out and force a field goal, is a defensive win. Those three points are purely special teams; you don’t really hang that on the defense, do you?
In any case, you seem to agree that this is a purely special teams effect that gets credited to the defense, though I acknowledge you would change it if you could.
No matter how much handwaving away you do about subjective feelings, you can’t avoid conceding that this is a purely special teams play. It’s not the defense lining up out there, it’s not the defensive coordinator sending in the play. It’s special teams, through and through.
They are special teams. The actual roster spot in the fantasy team is called “defense/special teams.” Ergo, special teams should count.
What about a punt return for a TD, as opposed to a kickoff return? Isn’t that more defense-y?
That’s an interesting way to get around the Yahoo limitation. Is there a good place to write down changes to vote on for next year so we don’t forget? This thread gets way too long from year to year to keep track.
Maybe we could create an omnibus “SDMB FF league scoring changes” thread that all the leagues could use for issues they want to remember to vote on in the offseason.
EDIT:
Yahoo is smart enough not to count return TDs against the defense, so I’m assuming they don’t count safeties against the defense either.
If we can set the scoring range of 0-2 as a single “shutout” bucket, that would be ideal.
Yeah I posted prematurely the score declaration from my tablet when I couldn’t really look to see who still had players active. Forgot about Arian Foster. Grats Stringer. Sometimes we get so wrapped up in outdoing each other, we forget that we share something in common - raping the rest of the league.
On the plus side, the whole Jackie Battle nonsense was just some silly motivatonal tool and Ryan Mathews is looking pretty good.
My RB squad in general is actually pretty ridiculous. Richardson, Mathews, McCoy. I’m actually amazed at how well Richardson has done in fantasy considering how badly he’s misused in actual football and how he’s not getting help from anyone.
Jordy Nelson is somewhat dissapointing so far as I expected but that’s the rub in a high powered but very deep offense - you get the same deal with New Orleans receivers. Demaryius Thomas has been pretty awesome though despite fumbling instead of scoring TDs a few times a game. (Also: James Fucking Jones)
Really, though, my team has been fairly tame so far. I’m hoping they all pull it together towards the end of the season.
Edit: Regarding defensive scoring, unfortunately you can’t set custom ranges, you can only assign points to the ranges that yahoo assigns. Yahoo won’t count a defensive TD or safety against your defense, but they will count the PATs, so a pick 6 followed by a PAT does prevent a shutout. I agree that either they should be smart enough not to count PATs after defensive touchdowns, or at least as a fudge make 0-2 its own category, but there’s nothing we can do as commish unfortunately.
Next week is the big matchup, Stringer and I. Shitty week for me though - I lose Thomas, McCoy, and Mathews. It’d be worse if GB was on bye instead, but just barely - I’m going to have to downgrade at RB from like Richardson/McCoy/Mathews to… Richardson/Starks/Oprah.
I wish I could bump that matchup to week 8, where I’m up to full strength and I’m going to rip a hole in time and space.
Oh man, the Jets were clearly messing with me for my whining about return TDs not counting for the defense:
Interception return for a TD! Oh wait, roughing the passer, int counts but no TD.
Interception return for a TD! Oh wait, PI on the guy who got the pick six, it’s really a 1st down.
Grrrr.
Speaking of the issue of special teams returns for touchdowns being “double counted” if they were credited to the defense, they’re actually being half-counted now without it. Last week the Jets returned a kickoff for a TD and didn’t get credit on defense for it. However, their opponent, the Texans, got that TD hung on them in the PA column. The game ended 23 17, and the Texans show 17 in PA.
I think not counting return TDs on special teams for the defense is more unbalanced than counting them, since it’s far more likely that any given defense will actually be starting in our league than any given kick returner.
I’m at 142 with the Packers left to finish, plus Demarius Thomas and Ryan Mathews. If those two have a good day tomorrow, I may set the scoring record this week.
Ah, I should’ve specified this season. I didn’t remember what the previous years had though. For this season it’s 175.93. 34 points from the Green Bay crew through the rest of the game, plus Thomas and Mathews. I’d say 40% chance I hit it. Thomas and Mathews are pretty variable but both high upside guys.