Your problem is that Finley isn’t the top banana in Green Bay anymore. He’s not even second banana - Jordy Nelson has more yards, catches and touchdowns.
I’ll give you V-Jax, Anquan Boldin or DeSean Jackson for that bunch. They’re pretty top flight.
Would you consider that deal? Seriously?
A backup RB, a rookie QB who has shown next to nothing and a WR not named Roddy White (knowing full well that Roddy White has sucked this year and anyone else would likely be even worse)?
Yes, trading my one asset for a bunch of shabby lottery tickets is precisely the way to build for the future.
Oh, it’s not that. All along I’ve offered all of my TEs - I’d be happy to trade Jimmy Graham or Ron Gronkowski too. It was just at the time, early in the season, Finley seemed to be the most proven prospect and long term value, so I stressed him.
Jimmy Graham and Ron Gronkowski are the top TEs by a huge margin (158 and 151 points, Witten is third with 110), and they’re both the top guys in two of the most prolific offenses in the league, and yet… no interest. No offers.
If you’re serious, I would absolutely trade that bunch for V-Jax.
See, this is where people value players differently. I see Ben Tate as a young RB who is going to have a long and great career ahead of him. But what will we for me do in December? Nothing. But for the future, he’s a great pickup.
Christian Ponder is a question mark, I’ll give you that. But I think he could be a Schaub-type QB for a long time. You could do a lot worse.
I love Ben Tate more than anyone around here, I was in the tank for him before he was drafted. The fact of the matter is that Arian Foster isn’t going anywhere any time soon and the Texans aren’t going to trade Tate. Now Schaub is out, and his value is uncertain for the rest of the year. If we were talking about a guy like DeMarco Murray, with a clearer path to relevance or a guy like Jamaal Charles who’s injured but assured a future role it might be worth it.
Welker is the #2 WR in the league and 8th RB/WR. You’re high if anything short of a starting RB would pry him away. Tate has the talent to be one, but the path is far to uncertain.
Nevermind. Not worth it.
Which part of what I said was incorrect?
I’m serious. Make me an offer w/ Gaffney and I’ll accept by phone if it lets me.
Done.
If you insist.
I offered you your choice of 4 WR’s, including Steve Smith, who has 52 more points, and Eric Decker, who has 23 more points, than Finley. When you throw in the fact that Gronkowski and Hernandez were both 3rd round picks last year, and guys like Jake Ballard (who is within 17 points of Finley) weren’t even drafted, and I think you’re seriously overvaluing Finley.
Which is fine. I don’t have a problem whatsoever with you valuing guys more than I do. It’s your team and your perogative. It just irks me a bit when you make it seem like everybody else is wrong for not valuing like you do and decrying that no one is making smart enough offers for your guys. Especially after how defensive you get when I mention Devery Henderson in the other league.
Again, hindsight. You made the offer in week 2. Did you expect Steve Smith to have 950 receiving yards at this point in the year in week 2? How about Eric Decker, a 2nd WR on a John Fox team that might soon have to deal with Tebow at QB?
Finley’s expectations were also higher at the time, since he was always the primary focus of the GB offense when he was in, prior to this year.
I didn’t say no one was making “smart enough” offers, I just said they were lowballs.
As far as Devery Henderson, it makes no sense to say “I’m attacking you by saying your decision making is poor!” and then someone saying “No, the decision was fine, here’s why” and then saying “WHY ARE YOU GETTING SO DEFENSIVE?!?!”
Would you do the trades now, with that hindsight? Back then, I think you said you would have been “massively on the wrong side” of the trade. I didn’t think that then, and, with hindsight, I don’t think so now.
That’s simply wrong. The primary focus has always been Rodgers, and he spreads the ball around. Jennings is target #1 and always has been.
Which indicates to me that you thought they weren’t even close to good enough offers. Which, once again, is fine.
Steve Smith would be tough. If I weren’t loaded at TE, I definitely wouldn’t do it - I’m not going to trade youth for age in this league unless the current values are way out of whack. Knowing that I can’t start all my TEs and no one else is giving me any offers, I might. It’d be a tough caller.
Decker is interesting because he’s consistently surprised in a bad situation, but doesn’t seem ridiculously talented or anything, and they’re not going to design the offense around him. Too unpredictable.
If I took either of those trades, it would’ve been similar to what I just did with Gonzalez - “fuck it, I’m not starting him and I can’t do any better I guess” sorts of trades.
BTW, in case it’s not clear, I’m still looking to move any of the TEs. Jimmy Graham essentially is what I hoped Finley would be, and Gronkowski seems to have a 20+ point game every other week. I’m willing to trade either of them and then use Finley in their place.
Colston is available for one of your TEs if you’re still looking to move one. Not sure how crazy I am about Finley lately though.
In case anybody missed it during the values discussion, a TRADE to announce:
RNATB gets:
Ben Tate
Christian Ponder
Jabar Gaffney
My Gusterhoids get:
Vincent Jackson
Am I dumbass, or did I pick up the last piece of a championship puzzle?
You got the better of that deal, I think. I mean, not looking at team composition, so it could be mutually beneficial. But if I had to pick between which side of the trade I wanted I’d take Jackson.
Not dumb at all. I like the upside of Ben Tate, he’s been outstanding in just a shared time roll and if he ever gets the bulk of the carries, he could be special. And I’m on record saying I liked Ponder of all the rookie QB’s (mostly because of early value, he went pretty high), so he has nice upside too. Gaffney is a fill in at best and likely cut material. Vincent Jackson is only 28, so he has more than a couple good years left and, when healthy, he’s good. So it looks to me to be a relatively fair trade. Jackson is certainly more of the proven guy, but Tate and Ponder both have the potential to be special.
You have talent, youth and depth. I have better talent, but no youth and no depth. Now you have V-Jax, who can score three touchdowns in any given quarter, and I have future stars at RB and QB and a plug-in until I draft someone to replace Jackson.
I forget, how does this league feel about gametime decisions? Because no one’s going to know if Willis McGahee will play tonight until about 8:15.
If McGahee’s listed as inactive at the last minute, would I be able to slip Brandon Jacobs into the lineup in his place?
I don’t understand, why can’t you move Jacobs into the slot yourself tonight if McGahee is inactive?