If the alliance remains then there really isn’t much point in going on with the game. It would be as Tries pointed out a waste of time.
Playing Diplomacy without the threat of someone stabbing you “because there can be only one” removes the essence of what this game is all about.
Cool beans. So do you guys surrender?
If I was still in the game, I would have no issue with a long-term 2 player alliance-they reaped the benefits from it and divided and conquered their opponents, more power to them. I would have a problem with them declaring victory while both are short of the required # of centers for a solo and are demanding that everyone else capitulate to them so they can share in a “2 way draw.” Talk is cheap, if you think you can win, just go out and do it-IMHO it is still possible for the other powers to get their crap together and stop them, but even this past turn I noticed some squabbling between them here and there (and the chronic civil disorders don’t help).
I haven’t demanded that. I’ve expressed a willingness to play. 
My “So do you surrender?” posts have been in response to “This is bullshit!” and “There isn’t much of a point in playing” type posts.
Map in Flickr here
Britain: 11 Centers
Britain: F Barcelona Supports A Gibraltar -> Andalusia
Britain: F English Channel -> Mid Atlantic Ocean
Britain: A Gibraltar -> Andalusia
Britain: A Madrid Supports F Barcelona
Britain: A Navarra Supports F Barcelona
Britain: F North Sea Holds
Britain: F Norway Supports F Sweden
Britain: F Portugal -> South Atlantic Ocean
Bounced with Morroco (1 against 1).
Britain: F South Atlantic Ocean -> Straits of Gibraltar
Bounced with Straits of Gibraltar (1 against 1).
Dislodged from Morroco (2 against 1).
Britain: F Sweden Holds
Egypt: 16 Centers
The Fleet in Andalusia cannot retreat; unit destroyed.
Egypt: A Alexandria -> Venice
Convoy path taken: Alexandria→Libyan Sea→Ionian Sea→Adriatic Sea→Venice.
Egypt: F Andalusia -> Barcelona
Bounced with Barcelona (3 against 3).
Dislodged from Gibraltar (2 against 1).
Egypt: A Eastern Sahara -> Libya
Egypt: F Gulf of Lyon Supports F Andalusia -> Barcelona
Egypt: F Libyan Sea Convoys A Alexandria -> Venice
Egypt: F Ligurian Sea Holds
Egypt: A Marseilles Supports A Switzerland
Egypt: A Monaco Holds
Egypt: F Morroco -> South Atlantic Ocean
Egypt: A Piedmont Supports A Switzerland
Egypt: F Straits of Gibraltar Supports F Morroco -> South Atlantic Ocean
Egypt: A Switzerland Holds
Egypt: F Tunisia -> Algeria
Egypt: F Tyrrhenian Sea Holds
Egypt: F Western Mediterranean Supports F Andalusia -> Barcelona
Germany: 9 Centers
Germany: A Alsace Supports A Lyon -> Switzerland
Germany: A Bordeaux Holds
Germany: F Denmark Holds
Germany: F Holland Holds
Germany: A Lyon -> Switzerland
Bounced with Switzerland (3 against 3).
Germany: A Munich Supports A Lyon -> Switzerland
Germany: A Paris -> Auvergne
Germany: A Saxony Supports A Munich
Support cut by Move from Austria.
Dislodged from Austria (2 against 1).
Poland: 6 Centers
Poland: A Bielorussia -> Moscow
Poland: F Finland Supports A St-Petersburg
Poland: F Gulf of Bothnia Supports A St-Petersburg
Poland: A Latvia Supports A Bielorussia -> Moscow
Poland: A Silesia -> Krakow
Poland: A St-Petersburg Supports A Bielorussia -> Moscow
Poland: A Warsaw Supports A Silesia -> Krakow
Russia: 2 Centers
The Army in Moscow cannot retreat; unit destroyed.
Russia: A Moscow -> Gorky
Bounced with Murmansk (1 against 1).
Dislodged from Bielorussia (3 against 1).
Russia: A Murmansk -> Gorky
Bounced with Moscow (1 against 1).
Russia: A Volga -> Kharkov
Bounced with Central Russian Plateau (1 against 1).
Turkey: 20 Centers
Turkey: F Adriatic Sea Convoys A Alexandria -> Venice
Turkey: A Austria -> Saxony
Turkey: A Central Russian Plateau -> Kharkov
Bounced with Volga (1 against 1).
Turkey: A Croatia -> Austria
Turkey: A Czech Republic Supports A Austria -> Saxony
Turkey: F Eastern Black Sea -> Rostov
Turkey: A Greece Holds
Turkey: F Ionian Sea Convoys A Alexandria -> Venice
Turkey: A Kazakhstan -> Volga
Failed because Russia: A Volga -> Kharkov failed.
Turkey: A Kiev -> Bielorussia
Turkey: A Moldavia -> Odessa
Turkey: A Odessa -> Kiev
Turkey: A Podolia Supports A Kiev -> Bielorussia
Turkey: A Rumania -> Moldavia
Turkey: A Serbia -> Hungary
Turkey: A Slovakia Supports A Czech Republic
Turkey: F Western Black Sea -> Eastern Black Sea
I will need retreats from:
Britain: Fleet South Atlantic may retreat to Seville, Gibraltar, or disband
Germany: Army Saxony may retreat to Frankfurt, Berlin, Silesia, or disband
By 12 Midnight Pacific Time August 26th (earlier is better - and Build orders will be accepted concurrently)
Thanks!
Map in Flickr: here
Britain: Fleet South Atlantic retreats Gibraltar
Germany: Army Saxony retreats to Frankfurt
Builds/Disbands:
Britain: 2 Builds (11 Centers)
Egypt: 1 Build (16 Centers)
Germany: 1 Build (9 Centers)
Poland: 1 Disband (6 Centers)
Turkey: 3 Builds (20 Centers)
By 7 AM August 27th Pacific Time (Then we can do Spring 2003 at 7 AM August 29th)
Thanks!
Map in Flickr here
Order Results:
Britain: Builds A Edinburgh
Britain: Builds F London
Egypt: Builds A Alexandria
Germany: 1 build was unused.
Poland: Removes F Gulf of Bothnia
Turkey: Builds A Ankara
Turkey: Builds A Istanbul
Turkey: Builds A Izmir
Spring 2003 Moves Due August 29th 7 AM PDT (10 AM EDT, 4 PM SAST)
Thanks!
We can’t get build orders in? Seriously?
? I don’t understand.
Map in Flickr here
Order Results:
Britain: 11 Centers
Britain: A Andalusia Supports F Barcelona
Britain: F Barcelona Supports A Auvergne
Britain: A Edinburgh -> Belgium
Convoy path taken: Edinburgh→North Sea→Belgium.
Britain: F Gibraltar -> Straits of Gibraltar
Bounced with Straits of Gibraltar (1 against 3).
Britain: F London -> English Channel
Britain: A Madrid Supports A Andalusia
Britain: F Mid Atlantic Ocean -> South Atlantic Ocean
Britain: A Navarra Supports F Barcelona
Britain: F North Sea Convoys A Edinburgh -> Belgium
Britain: F Norway Supports F Sweden
Britain: F Portugal Supports F Mid Atlantic Ocean -> South Atlantic Ocean
Britain: F Sweden Holds
Egypt: 16 Centers
No order for unit at Ligurian Sea. Hold order assigned.
Egypt: A Alexandria -> Venice
Convoy path taken: Alexandria→Libyan Sea→Ionian Sea→Adriatic Sea→Venice.
Egypt: F Algeria Supports F Straits of Gibraltar
Egypt: F Gulf of Lyon Supports A Marseilles
Egypt: A Libya Holds
Egypt: F Libyan Sea Convoys A Alexandria -> Venice
Egypt: F Ligurian Sea Holds
Egypt: A Marseilles Supports A Switzerland
Egypt: A Monaco Supports A Marseilles
Egypt: A Piedmont Supports A Switzerland
Egypt: F South Atlantic Ocean Supports F Straits of Gibraltar
Support cut by Move from Mid Atlantic Ocean.
Dislodged from Mid Atlantic Ocean (2 against 1).
Egypt: F Straits of Gibraltar Supports F South Atlantic Ocean
Support cut by Move from Gibraltar.
Egypt: A Switzerland Holds
Egypt: F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports F Western Mediterranean
Egypt: A Venice -> Milan
Egypt: F Western Mediterranean Supports F Straits of Gibraltar
Germany: 9 Centers
No orders received. Hold orders assigned due to units > 4.
Germany: A Alsace Holds
Germany: A Auvergne Holds
Germany: A Bordeaux Holds
Germany: F Denmark Holds
Germany: A Frankfurt Holds
Germany: F Holland Holds
Germany: A Lyon Holds
Germany: A Munich Holds
Poland: 6 Centers
Poland: F Finland -> Sweden
Bounced with Sweden (1 against 2).
Poland: A Krakow Supports A Warsaw -> Bielorussia
Support cut by Move from Slovakia.
Poland: A Latvia Supports A Warsaw -> Bielorussia
Poland: A Moscow -> Gorky
Bounced with Volga (2 against 1).
Poland: A St-Petersburg Supports A Moscow -> Gorky
Poland: A Warsaw -> Bielorussia
Bounced with Bielorussia (2 against 3).
Russia: 2 Centers
Russia: A Murmansk Supports A Volga -> Gorky
Russia: A Volga -> Gorky
Bounced with Moscow (2 against 1).
Turkey: 20 Centers
Turkey: F Adriatic Sea Convoys A Alexandria -> Venice
Turkey: A Ankara -> Georgia
Turkey: A Austria Supports A Switzerland
Turkey: A Bielorussia Supports A Central Russian Plateau
Support cut by Move from Warsaw.
Turkey: A Central Russian Plateau Supports A Bielorussia
Turkey: A Czech Republic Holds
Turkey: F Eastern Black Sea -> Donbas
Turkey: A Greece Holds
Turkey: A Hungary -> Slovakia
Failed because Turkey: A Slovakia -> Krakow failed.
Turkey: F Ionian Sea Convoys A Alexandria -> Venice
Turkey: A Istanbul -> Ankara
Turkey: A Izmir -> Istanbul
Turkey: A Kazakhstan -> Volga
Failed because Russia: A Volga -> Gorky failed.
Turkey: A Kiev -> Kharkov
Turkey: A Moldavia -> Odessa
Turkey: A Odessa -> Kiev
Turkey: A Podolia Supports A Bielorussia
Turkey: F Rostov Holds
Turkey: A Saxony -> Berlin
Turkey: A Slovakia -> Krakow
Bounced with Krakow (1 against 1).
OK. I’ll need retreat orders from:
Egypt: Fleet South Atlantic my retreat to Seville, Morocco, or disband
By 7 AM PDT Tuesday August 30th OK?
Thanks,
Egypt’s Fleet South Atlantic retreats to Morocco
Updated map on Flickr here
Let’s have Fall 2003 Moves Due 7 AM PDT September 1st, OK?
24 hour extension requested for the Fall 2003 turn. It will now be due:
7 AM PDT September 2nd (10 AM EDT, 4 PM SAST)
Map in Flickr: here
Britain: 12 Centers
Britain: A Andalusia -> Seville
Britain: F Barcelona Supports F Gibraltar -> Andalusia
Britain: A Belgium -> Ruhr
Britain: F English Channel -> Bay of Biscay
Britain: F Gibraltar -> Andalusia
Britain: A Madrid Supports F Gibraltar -> Andalusia
Britain: A Navarra Supports F Barcelona
Britain: F North Sea Holds
Britain: F Norway Supports F Sweden
Britain: F Portugal -> South Atlantic Ocean
Britain: F South Atlantic Ocean -> Gibraltar
Britain: F Sweden Holds
Egypt: 16 Centers
Egypt: F Algeria Supports F Straits of Gibraltar
Egypt: F Gulf of Lyon -> Auvergne
Bounced with Auvergne (1 against 1).
Egypt: A Libya -> Tunisia
Egypt: F Libyan Sea Holds
Egypt: F Ligurian Sea Supports A Monaco -> Marseilles
Egypt: A Marseilles -> Lyon
Egypt: A Milan Supports A Switzerland
Egypt: A Monaco -> Marseilles
Egypt: F Morroco Supports F Straits of Gibraltar
Egypt: A Piedmont Supports A Switzerland
Egypt: F Straits of Gibraltar Supports F Western Mediterranean
Egypt: A Switzerland Supports A Marseilles -> Lyon
Egypt: F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports F Western Mediterranean
Egypt: A Venice Supports A Hungary -> Austria
Support failed. Supported unit’s order does not match support given.
Egypt: F Western Mediterranean Supports F Straits of Gibraltar
Germany: 7 Centers
The Army in Lyon cannot retreat; unit destroyed.
No order for unit at Auvergne. Hold order assigned.
Germany: A Alsace Supports A Lyon -> Switzerland
Germany: A Auvergne Holds
Germany: A Bordeaux -> Paris
Germany: F Denmark -> Bornholm Sea
Germany: A Frankfurt -> Saxony
Bounced with Czech Republic (1 against 1).
Germany: F Holland -> Hamburg
Germany: A Lyon -> Switzerland
Bounced with Switzerland (3 against 4).
Dislodged from Marseilles (2 against 1).
Germany: A Munich Supports A Lyon -> Switzerland
Poland: 7 Centers
Poland: F Finland Supports A St-Petersburg
Poland: A Krakow -> Podolia
Bounced with Podolia (1 against 1).
Poland: A Latvia -> Bielorussia
Bounced with Bielorussia (2 against 2).
Poland: A Moscow -> Gorky
Poland: A St-Petersburg Supports A Moscow -> Gorky
Poland: A Warsaw Supports A Latvia -> Bielorussia
Russia: 1 Center
Russia: A Murmansk -> Gorky
Bounced with Moscow (1 against 1).
Russia: A Volga -> Gorky
Bounced with Moscow (1 against 1).
Dislodged from Kharkov (3 against 1).
Turkey: 21 Centers
Turkey: F Adriatic Sea Convoys A Greece -> Croatia
Turkey: A Ankara -> Georgia
Turkey: A Austria Supports A Switzerland
Turkey: A Berlin -> Frankfurt
Failed because Germany: A Frankfurt -> Saxony failed.
Turkey: A Bielorussia Holds
Turkey: A Central Russian Plateau Supports A Kharkov -> Volga
Turkey: A Czech Republic -> Saxony
Bounced with Frankfurt (1 against 1).
Turkey: F Donbas Holds
Turkey: A Georgia -> Caucasus
Turkey: A Greece -> Croatia
Convoy path taken: Greece→Ionian Sea→Adriatic Sea→Croatia.
Turkey: A Hungary -> Slovakia
Failed because Turkey: A Slovakia -> Czech Republic failed.
Turkey: F Ionian Sea Convoys A Greece -> Croatia
Turkey: A Istanbul -> Greece
Turkey: A Kazakhstan Supports A Kharkov -> Volga
Turkey: A Kharkov -> Volga
Turkey: A Kiev Supports A Bielorussia
Turkey: A Odessa Holds
Turkey: A Podolia Supports A Bielorussia
Support cut by Move from Krakow.
Turkey: F Rostov Holds
Turkey: A Slovakia -> Czech Republic
Failed because Turkey: A Czech Republic -> Saxony failed.
I need a retreat order from:
Russia for Army Volga - can retreat to Moscow, Urals, Siberia, or disband.
I’m off camping for the weekend, so that retreat will be resolved
Wednesday, September 7 at 7 AM PDT (10 AM EDT, 4 PM SAST)
Map in Flickr here
Russia: Army Volga retreats to Moscow
Build Orders:
Egypt has 1 build
Turkey has 1 build
Let’s have build orders due Thursday, Sept. 8th at 7 AM PDT (10 AM EDT, 4 PM SAST)
…and to avoid a weekend deadline we’ll have Spring 2004 Moves due Friday, Sept. 9th at 7 AM PDT (10 AM EDT, 4 PM SAST)
Map in Flickr here
Build Orders:
Egypt: Build Army Alexandria
Turkey: 1 Build Unused
Spring 2004 Moves due Friday, Sept. 9th at 7 AM PDT (10 AM EDT, 4 PM SAST)
I know that’s slightly less than 24 hours away, so if you need more time, let me know.
Thank you all for being good about emailing me when you need more time. 
Deadline for Spring 2004 Orders now Monday, September 12th @ 7 AM PDT (10 AM EDT, 4 PM SAST)
Map in Flickr here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30973257@N03/6140360861/
Orders from Spring 2004:
Britain:
Britain: F Andalusia Supports F Barcelona
Britain: F Barcelona Supports A Navarra -> Auvergne
Britain: F Bay of Biscay -> Mid Atlantic Ocean
Britain: F Gibraltar Supports F South Atlantic Ocean
Britain: A Madrid Supports F Barcelona
Britain: A Navarra -> Auvergne
Bounced with Lyon (2 against 1).
Britain: F North Sea Holds
Britain: F Norway Holds
Britain: A Ruhr Supports A Frankfurt -> Munich
Britain: A Seville Supports F Andalusia
Britain: F South Atlantic Ocean Supports F Gibraltar
Britain: F Sweden Holds
Egypt:
Egypt: A Alexandria -> Eastern Sahara
Egypt: F Algeria Supports F Straits of Gibraltar
Egypt: F Gulf of Lyon Supports A Lyon -> Auvergne
Egypt: F Libyan Sea -> Maltese Sea
Egypt: F Ligurian Sea -> Gulf of Lyon
Bounced with Gulf of Lyon (1 against 1).
Egypt: A Lyon -> Auvergne
Bounced with Auvergne (3 against 1).
Egypt: A Marseilles Supports A Lyon -> Auvergne
Egypt: A Milan Supports A Switzerland
Egypt: F Morroco Supports F Straits of Gibraltar
Egypt: A Piedmont -> Monaco
Egypt: F Straits of Gibraltar Supports F Western Mediterranean
Egypt: A Switzerland Holds
Egypt: A Tunisia Holds
Egypt: F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports F Western Mediterranean
Egypt: A Venice -> Tuscany
Egypt: F Western Mediterranean Supports F Straits of Gibraltar
Germany:
Germany: A Alsace Supports A Auvergne -> Lyon
Germany: A Auvergne -> Lyon
Bounced with Lyon (3 against 1).
Germany: F Bornholm Sea -> Berlin
Germany: A Frankfurt -> Munich
Failed; self-dislodgement prohibited.
Germany: F Hamburg Supports F Bornholm Sea -> Berlin
Germany: A Munich -> Switzerland
Bounced with Switzerland (1 against 2).
Germany: A Paris Supports A Auvergne -> Lyon
Poland:
Poland: F Finland Supports A Latvia -> St-Petersburg
Poland: A Gorky Supports A St-Petersburg -> Murmansk
Poland: A Krakow -> Warsaw
Poland: A Latvia -> St-Petersburg
Poland: A St-Petersburg -> Murmansk
Poland: A Warsaw -> Lithuania
Russia: (Moves entered by wevets)
Russia: A Moscow Holds
Russia: A Murmansk Holds
Dislodged from St-Petersburg (2 against 1).
Turkey:
Turkey: F Adriatic Sea Holds
Turkey: A Austria Supports A Berlin -> Saxony
Turkey: A Berlin -> Saxony
Turkey: A Bielorussia Supports A Slovakia -> Krakow
Turkey: A Caucasus Holds
Turkey: A Central Russian Plateau Holds
Turkey: A Croatia Holds
Turkey: A Czech Republic Supports A Berlin -> Saxony
Turkey: F Donbas -> Sevastopol
Turkey: A Georgia Holds
Turkey: A Greece Holds
Turkey: A Hungary -> Slovakia
Turkey: F Ionian Sea Holds
Turkey: A Kazakhstan -> Siberia
Turkey: A Kiev Supports A Central Russian Plateau
Turkey: A Odessa Holds
Turkey: A Podolia Supports A Slovakia -> Krakow
Turkey: F Rostov -> Eastern Black Sea
Turkey: A Slovakia -> Krakow
Turkey: A Volga Supports A Kazakhstan -> Siberia
Russia: (move entered by wevets)
A Murmansk retreats to Lapland
Let’s have Fall 2004 Orders Due Wednesday, September 14th @ 7 AM PDT (10 AM EDT)
Thanks,
Apologies to all - there will be a 24 hour extension. To Sept. 15, 7 AM Pacific Time
I think I’m setting the deadlines too close together, sorry about that.
I just realized I’ve come in to work without running the turn.
I have orders from everyone and I’ll see if I can’t run the turn at lunchtime or early afternoon. Sorry all, my morning’s a bit busy.
Thank you wevets. We appreciate your work for this game.