I’m only dimly aware of the whole issue with Libertarian vs some other folks here; to be honest, I don’t think I really want to know about it (why should I get sucked into somebody else’s quarrel?).
I’ve never found him to be anything other than courteous, inoffensive and open, even when disagreeing with me. Perhaps not always straightforward or verbose, sometimes downright cryptic, but I’ve taken that as just his way of getting people (including me) to think things through and extract the deeper meaning(YMMV).
My question (which I’m posting here because I can’t think where else): is there any way, short of shooting himself, that Lib can appease those he has offended?
Or is that it?; I get the feeling that he is damned now whatever he does and that even if he opened a thread asking about people’s preferences in cheese, people would percieve some hidden agenda and he would be castigated for it.
Please don’t respond in this thread with a catalogue of his sins - like I said, he’s not hurt me and I don’t want to know, what I do want to know is ‘where does it go from here?’
Not sure I have much useful to say, except that I marvel at Lib’s apparent ability to get up people’s snouts, even though his posts seem to be remarkably even-tempered overall.
I don’t agree with everything that Lib has to say, but then I don’t agree with everything anyone has to say. As for appeasing those he has offended, why the need? Smacks a bit of having to kowtow to some nameless clique of insiders, if you ask me.
Hang on, what’s cheese got to do with any of this? What are you really trying to say?
I am assuming that you are not looking for this to be a court of judgement, so I hope people will refrain from going over the tired “he did this”, “yeah but so-and-so did this” routine.
To be honest, as far as I can see, Lib was rightly upset that his idea was shat upon from a great height, so expressed his feelings in the Pit. So some people got upset? WHO GIVES A TOSS? The Pit does upset people, that’s what it’s all about. Who does Lib need to apologise to for venting his frustration in the correct forum?
Conversely, I would hope that Lib isn’t nursing his wounds, thinking that those who attacked his pit thread ought to apologise to him. So he got flamed. Big deal. Newbies and esteemed veterans get flamed all the time in the Pit, and most just get up, dust themselves off, and get on with it.
Feathers were ruffled, now life goes on. I think he should just resume normal posting and let’s all just forget about it. Let’s not mull over it, picking at the scab.
Mind you, I’m a Newbie, so no-one gives a rat’s ass what I think anyway. I’m certain Lib can’t give a shit what I think, but I’m with him if he just decides to resume normal activity like nothing has happened.
And that is the last I intend to even think about it. Let’s just drop it, huh?
I have a slight of Opinion here that may seem to some rather trifle but this is my professional opinion.
I have read many of Libertarian’s posts. He certainly appears to have a level head most of the time and seems to me most of his posts and points come straight from a plexus, however, the Euty unleashed unto, this seems a little off track. I myself have an older brother. He was a very popular guy in HS and everyone liked him. He certainly brought a lot of joy to the house and was well liked by most. In human terms he is successful and happy some 15 years later.It has never occured to me to blame him or his accomplishments for anything.
We were raised in a very egalitarian middle-class family. And of course we had our disfunction as does everyone.
Libertarian with this admittance ->
…speaks of a different boggle here. One that is evident. You see Libertarian usually demonstrates uncommon acumen whilst discussing most philosophical and logistical points. So this last statement to me at least demonstrated something different. Why shouldn’t his brother in their boyhood have not gotten a superlative stating he was most likely to succeed? This in itself seems very un-libertarian to me. Obviously, there was some kind of grievence or something to this award, because ‘crying foul’, ‘huffing’ and ‘envy’ are natural reactions to a boy receiving a superlative. Class mates, friends, siblings who wanted the honor of being voted for, took nothing in the wake of the winner, especially when it comes to voting for class superlatives.
Libertarian is demonstrating something completely different than a mask for a befouled self. I personally think ‘he’ is demonstrating a religiously thought about, perfectly monitored penance. Self monitored for long periods. This infact has a different name, and it is called self reflection. Someone may not have been feeling themselves either lately or now, in other words, does this seem to be classic Liby to anyone? I may not know Lib like others do, but I can see when someone is a target, and I do not get that feeling completely with this situation. Euty did not have to appologise, but he did? Was he told by a higher power to? If you read his post he says he over-reacted, but still holds his stance. Coldfire calls Libs post tacky. But it does not appear anyone is critically trying to ‘move Libs cheese’ if you will. If I am missing something please let me know. I enjoy reading some of Libs Posts. Others such as the one the other day about his brother, do not appear to follow his norm…Maybe he wants to jump ship and break his literary norm…
The best thing to do? Just let the whole matter drop. When you keep rehashing it over and over again it does nothing but keep the stink going. What was the point of starting this thread?
I’m sure that Lib has been on these boards long enough to know how things work. No, he stated an opinion and he doesn’t owe anyone an apology. Those that were offended should just avoid his posts in the future if their little feelings were hurt. Lib hasn’t changed. He is the way he has always been and it’s a little sickening to see how people keep referring to him burning-out on the boards. Nope, don’t think so. That’s just him, always has been always will be. He’s probably enjoying a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday with his family and these boards are the last thing on his mind.
You guys just really give this board too much credit for playing too large a part in a person’s life. There is life before, during and after SDMB. Some learn that and some don’t.
Sorry, I should always re-read. I am attempting to do three things at once. This sentence in the second paragraph should go like this.
Sorry about that! One might have to read Libs post first, before you get my reaction. Which ia half a reaction to this OP and half a reaction to Euty’s…
Well Kabbes Please read Libertarians post about his big brother getting a superlative in School. He was voted ‘most likely to succeed’. Then read Libs actions and reactions and to it. Then check out Eutys remarks then remittance. I admit my post is a little difficult to read. Sorry I am a bit busy now and possibly should not have tried to tackle this subject until later. But I did. Sorry its so hard to read…
I’m at a loss to understand why we needed a new thread for this discussion rather than pursuing it in the existing Conduct Unbecoming a Moderator thread.
I’m even more confused as to why Phlosphr felt the need to duplicate his post in that thread with a minimally edited version in this one.
[sub]and isn’t anyone else even slightly curious about the profession on whose behalf Phlosphr is offering his opinion?[/sub]
Sheesh, people. So Lib has a temper. [sub]as do we all.[/sub] So Euty is human. [sub]and I defy you to find me a rule where it says that a moderator cannot be human?[/sub]
reprise, I suspect ‘Village Idiot who Just Swallowed the Dictionary and who Is Regurgitating Words At Random Without Regard for Sense’ would be the correct ‘professional’ label.
Well, for what it’s worth, Libertarian still has my respect, admiration, and deepest regard. Yeah, he lets little things become more deeply personal than they should, perhaps, and he seems rather unsympathetic towards different points of view, instead seeing the world in absolute terms, which is useful for basing one’s one moral compass upon, but antagonizing when trying to unite people to a common case, in much the same way that the extreme length of this sentence detracts from the several points I am trying to make herein.
In any event, I consider him, like many of my friends IRL, the sort of person who can be aggravating to deal with at times, but on balance, is well worth the effort. And if he happens to be reading this, I’d invite him to email me any time, if he ever wants.
Well, some people got their noses out of joint about SDMB awards for posters. I didn’t, but I could see how some folks might not like it.
I do recall a few occasions when Lib linked to or posted official Libertarian Party press releases that got my liquid refreshment shooting out of my nose because it didn’t put his usual level of thought and persuasiveness into it. Come to think of it, his supporting argument for the awards was a blatant appeal to emotion and pity, which is technically an invalid argument, but in the real world it is used all the time, and he did a damn fine example of it. It was so good that a moderator temporarily lost his/her sanity trying to oppose it. I think everyone has since calmed down, is sitting around the living room getting sleepy on Turkey and loosening our top pants buttons.
