See here (Planning and Recruitment)
and here (the first Iliad thread)
for background.
Welcome once again to the SDMB Seminar™! For those who just wandered in to get out of the rain, or thought this was Underwater Basketweaving 101*, we are attempting to read our way through the curriculum of St. John’s College. Won’t you join us?
This is the big, serious discussion thread for our first selection, the Iliad of Homer. We started reading back in February, and have been checking in with each other in the second thread listed above. Some of us are completely new to the material (me) and some are on more familiar ground- like St. John’s alum commasense and classics scholars CJJ*, Maeglin, and Helen’s Eidolon. This variety of backgrounds within a group of literate and often witty people is what led me to think that this project would be a good idea, and so far the other thread has really helped me, and apparently others, to stay motivated.
Well, with those preliminaries out of the way, how about some ground rules? No, you don’t want any rules? Too bad- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
ahem.
1. This thread for discussion about the Iliad. Pretty much no more, no less. We are going to try to stay somewhat close to the “great books” model- as I understand it, that means that the text is the text- we are to make points and arguments based on what it says, not what a secondary source claims, or how it is similar to another work. This isn’t all that strict of a rule- obviously you can’t un-learn what you’ve read from other sources, but try to back up what you post with citations from the book itself.
Further, let’s try to stay away from in-depth discussions of history/ historical context. obviously some is unavoidable, but I’m afraid that we may get hopelessly hijacked away from the text if we get into it. Feel free to start related threads, though!
**2. Back up what you post! **Obviously we all care about this in the land of CITE?! but I think it bears repeating. This is pretty dense reading, and if you make a point that is general and not linked to specific instances in the text, it may be hard for other posters to agree or debate.
3. Engage with the other posters. Politely and generously, but with rigor. Don’t be dismissive, but if somebody posts something you think is questionable- call them out! By the same token, try not to take criticism of your arguments personally. Again, this may be an obvious restatement of general SDMB mores (Cafe Society style, at least), but I think it bears repeating.
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4. Have your copy of the text in front of you when you post.** Also, make sure to note which edition you are using when you give page or line numbers. If, like me you post from a non-home location, consider writing up your ideas with citations at home, and posting from your notes, or just toss your book in your bag on the way out the door.
5. Related to #4: Did you read the book? This is a thread on a public message board, and as such is non-exclusive. There are in fact several active participants in the other thread who have not been reading along for the past 5 weeks, but have been referring back to previous readings and checking their texts as needed. That’s totally fine by me, but I would greatly prefer it if we don’t get an influx of posters writing things like “well, I read it 20 years ago in High School, and at the time I thought…” That isn’t really conducive to the kind of discussion we’re looking for here.
6. Slow and Steady. I anticipate this thread lasting at least two weeks- there is a lot of material to cover! I’d rather have posters take a day or two to answer questions and come up with well thought out and backed up posts than to have this thread constantly bobbing at the top of the page. Also, if some of you I’m looking at you, Margo haven’t quite finished the reading, a slow and deliberate discussion can help you us catch up- no shame!
**7. Don’t be afraid. **Above I’ve emphasized the need for rigor and well thought our posts, but don’t stay quiet because you think that your input may be “too shallow” or even obvious. I think (and YMMV) that some of the best discussion questions are those asked by someone who truly doesn’t know the answer, rather than ones manufactured by a teacher to draw out a desired train of thought. Isn’t that pretty much the entire spirit of the Dope, anyway?
Lastly, as I have stated in the other threads, I’ve never done anything like this before- reading the classics and online reading groups are equally foreign to me. Feel free to challenge me on the “rules” above- they are roughly gleaned from what participants posted in the other threads.
I’ll start the discussion off in the next post.
*UnBa 101 was moved to the New Building, room 304. If you hurry you can still make roll call, and if Prof. Sampiro asks me I’ll tell him it was an honest mistake and you really were here on time.