Secret Invasion (Nick Fury tv series) There be spoilers in here

I loved the finale. G’iah really pushed Gravik’s buttons, to the point of getting him to monologue and not think about her “forgetting” details of their past. And then his grab for ultimate power was exactly his undoing. Classic hubris.

Sweet ending for Fury and Varra.

Well, that blast contained power equal to Gravik’s. Thor could maybe knock himself out with a single punch, just as an ordinary human could, without that making him a pushover.

But if course, that’s just up to the writers. You may be right that the transfer process somehow leaves the powers degraded, although I have seen nothing that suggests this. Another point might be that individual powers have to be activated to be used, and maybe Gravik just didn’t have the invulnerability on at the crucial moment…

On the other hand, I thought that Gravik, member of a shape-shifting race who knows that there are other shape-shifters working against him, not for one second questioned whether he was actually faced with the real Fury was a bit of a stretch.

Apart from the giant hole in his gut. I just don’t see that working on Danvers or Hulk or even Thor.

This also makes a lot of sense.

Ehhhhh. It was fine I guess. I didn’t hate it and it was neat seeing Nick Fury and it was an interesting twist seeing that he was married to a skrull. Nothing else was exceptional though, none of the surprises were surprising. Mulroney was fine as President Ritson I guess but seeing him just made me miss William Sadler’s President Ellis from Iron Man 3.

I am going to really miss Maria Hill.

I watched Winter Soldier on a whim earlier, mostly for the awesome nick fury car chase scene. EVERYONE calls him Nick, not even just his friends.

I didn’t hate it. I’ll miss Maria Hill, and I didn’t like that the end fight was a huge CGI battle, but otherwise it was a bottle of Brut amidst other colognes and aftershaves - maybe not high class, but smelly enough, for the money.

I think the Skrulls are no more or less monolithically “evil” as a people than the Humans are.

One of the things I like about the MCU is (by and large) how intricately the shared universe ties together across the different films and shows. For example, how major events like The Blip or the Chitauri attack on New York influence events and drive the plot in other films and shows. Or at least it used to. There are so many superheros and factions and whatnot that it seems like it’s getting harder to believably tie them all together.

What bothers me a bit about Secret Invasion is they kind of introduced some major concepts into the MCU without really resolving them:

  • How does the public knowledge that there are at least a million shape-shifting aliens living on Earth continue to influence Human culture, which is already kind of paranoid and violent to begin with?
  • Are these violent attacks a few isolated incidents or does it continue to escalate into actual warfare with the Skrull forced to take more extreme methods to defend themselves?
  • We know of at least one alien race living openly on Earth (the Asgardians). How does this impact them?

I feel like they alluded to some of this in the ending scenes and maybe Secret Invasion does end up driving a lot of the upcoming story in the next phase of the already convoluted MCU. But you could really have an entire ongoing show that just deals with the Skrulls living on Earth.

My point about the Skrulls was a reference to my post a week earlier where it seemed the show was going out of its way to make the Skrulls as an entire species untrustworthy and unlikable. I don’t like judging entire populations either but show until the finale was making it seem that other than a few individuals the Skrulls as a whole were up to no good. Thankfully that was walked back and the realities of hating an entire species were shown in all their horrific reality.

One thing this show did effectively, but may not intentionally, is make me side with the Kree. Get rid of the skrulls; they’re a menace. I was on Team Skrull until this show came out

That’s like deciding Wakandans are bad because of Killmonger. It’s not fair to judge a country by its worst leader, nor a species by its worst country. Of course, Skrulls can’t be given a pass because of the oppression they’ve experienced.

In the first couple of phases of the MCU, I could fit the whole thing in my head, but now it’s just too big for that. I simply can’t remember everything that’s gone before.

They set up too many things that just get abandoned. Are we ever going to see Mordo and his wizard murder spree? Or whatever Sharon Carter is up to? White Vision… whoever Harry Styles and Jon Snow played, etc etc. All this set ups used to be building toward one single thing, now they just throw things at the wall and see what sticks.

eh, they’re fictional. Fuck 'em all.

Which is another problem with this show. Every time irl I complain about them I sound like the worst close-the-borders reactionary. And I say things about the Skrulls that I do not feel about real refugees. If it’s supposed to be metaphorical, it’s not working well for me.

Yeah. There’s nothing wrong with two-dimensional characters in a comic book story. I thought Skrulls were a lot more fun when they were all dicks.

I’ve hated the Skrulls since they first appeared in the comics. I fucking HATE shape-shifter stories! It’s the ultimate author cheat. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY can resist messing with the reader/viewer just for the lulz.

Fuck that. All shape-shifters must die.

Then just hate on the story like everyone else. :laughing:

Including illusionists and people with face change tech?? {Mysterio and Chameleon slink away}

The only decent use of face-change tech was Black Widow in Winter Soldier. Even then it would have been more fun if Pamela Hawley kicked Pierce’s ass instead of Nat.

This seems to happen often enough in the comics and in the comic book movies. In Batman Returns, Batman is regarded as a hero thanks to defeating the Joker last time around, but one planted Batarang is all it takes for Commissioner Gordon to get on TV and brand him a murderer. It’s lazy, rushed storytelling.