This is a bullshit argument. Does a grocer provide apples to consumers? Of course they do and technically they cost the grocer nothing as the costs are paid for by the end consumer (plus profit markup).
You get car seats for free, you hand out car seats for free, you provide car seats. The time and energy of the volunteers (which have an intrinsic monetary value) contribute to the total cost required to get the car seat from the government to the receiver.
Amen. He isn’t better than this, as he proves repeatedly.
It is a bullshit argument because if someone called up Bricker at this organization and said, “Hey there, Bricks, I’m a low-income mom and I have a toddler and I heard your organization provides free car seats to moms who qualify. Is that true?”, he would say, “Why, yes, we sure do.” Which is in fact *the very opposite *of “I wouldn’t say we provide car seats.”
He is better. I’ve seen him “raise his hand” acknowledging the foul FAR more than the typical advocate from his “side”.
He also happens to be “better” at debating, so it takes unimpeachable evidence to get there.
You just can’t contact BCCS and go get your mammogram. You have to be referred by a facility such as PP or a community health clinic. I know. I just did it. I called BCCS and they referred me to a clinic to go to FIRST. The clinic then sent me to an imaging center for the mammogram which was paid for through BCCS.
Well, Kimmy_Gibbler made the comment I wished to make (although with a purdier construction of words). This thread just leaves me baffled – is it seriously your contention, Bricker, that mistakenly listing “mammograms” under a list of services rendered by an organization devoted to women’s health is hyperbole to the same degree as claiming that 90%, rather than 3%, of Planned Parenthood’s resources go toward abortions? Forget about the fact that PP does in fact provide help some with mammograms; frankly that isn’t where you went wrong.
When someone claims that a republican did something wrong, why can’t you let that be (as long as it isn’t a lie)? Responding every time with “yeah, but a democrat did something similar!” is just a little … unseemly. It makes you sound irritable and desperate.
You’re wrong about that. The referral is a large part of providing the service. My local radiology center does mammograms, but a woman can’t just walk in and get one. For one thing, the referring provider determines whether the test is appropriate in the first place.
For another, more important thing, the referring provider is responsible for relaying the result and determining the appropriate follow-up–biopsy, lumpectomy, repeat mammo, etc. Radiologists don’t want to take on that sort of job. There are free-standing centers that do all of this on site, but most of the time everything but the actual scan and reading is done at a primary care clinic, health department, or women’s health center like PP.
This has to be considered part of getting a mammogram, and it’s certainly part of the cost. And it’s definitely a service that PP provides.
Oh please. He’s a partisan hack with plenty of time on his hands. If you want to suck his dick, go for it.
But when one of those young mothers asks another one who provided her baby’s car seat, the answer is not “Virginia”, but is “Bricker’s organization”.
Man, I am just disappointed that Bricker conceded before I could get my two cents in.
He’s a partisan hack who has been known to change his mind when he is, by his lights, convinced that he is wrong. Being a partisan hack, his lights are pretty hard to reach, but they are reachable–I’ve seen it more than once. That, in and of itself, makes him an honest partisan hack, which is a rare bird from either side.
Just quickly googling
When they advertise and offer mammogram services at Planned Parenthood centers I’m going to say it’s pretty safe to say Planned Parenthood offers mammogram services.
I went on to call my local Planned Parenthood to ask if they offered mammogram services.(which was odd considering I’m a man), the secretary told me every other month they do a clinic at their location that includes mammograms.
Hmm, Planned Parenthood announces that they are no longer going to perform abortions.
<cough> But if you wanna donate to fund abortions there is the recently founded Abortions R Us. <cough>
Planned Parenthood wouldn’t be paying for the abortions.
Planned Parenthood wouldn’t be performing the abortions.
Planned Parenthood would only be providing a phone number.
Anybody really think conservatives/pro-lifers would argue that Planned Parenthood is not in the baby killing business?
CMC fnord!
Since we seem to be doing a lot of cross thread posting.
Anyone who really thinks “Bricker, you’re better than this” should wander on over to GD and have a look at the Pharmacists and refusals thread.
Refusing to fill a prescription for a drug prescribed to treat a condition that may, or may not, have been caused by having an abortion is perfectly OK because “… society is prepared to recognize that abhorrence of abortion and abortion-related treatments is a reasonable basis for refusing to serve a particular client a particular medicine …”.
Dems are so cute when they split hairs.
Republicans lie, Democrats misspeak. Gotcha.
Anyhow I hope it’s still okay for me to despise Barbara “Don’t call me ma’am” Boxer.
Ben there, done that.
That ship has sailed.
That dog don’t hunt.
Did you even read the thread? Even Bricker, the OP has had to admit that Boxer was accurate in this case - no hair splitting needed.
Head to the thread on Kyl if you want to defend his lies. This one is done. Stick a fork in it.
The fact that these women can’t afford to go to a regular doctor, so Planned Parenthood is their source of all medical information. I know, because years ago I was one of them.
The thing that annoys me most about all these old white men talking about Planned Parenthood is that they don’t even know about what a lifesaver it is for poor women, and they don’t care either.
There’s something to be said for admitting you were wrong, as Bricker was about Boxer. There’s also a lot to be said for not recklessly making a false charge to begin with.
Bricker seems to be having a really hard time lately with this abortion thing. He started this thread with a “nyah nyah a court supported my position on pharmacists refusing to dispense prescriptions on moral grounds” OP and then essentially vanished, popping back up eventually to troll others for daring to have reasoned convictions on the subject (his revealing comment being “I’m here to spoil that”, i.e. to sneer at others for having strong opinions while refusing to discuss his own). His other brilliancies in that thread include dismissing the idea of patients’ rights being violated by claiming that a “vast majority” will be unaffected by pharmacist refusal, as if civil rights in any situation can be flouted if the number of those affected are small enough.
Bricker’s mission to demonstrate to us the Hypocrisy Of Our Ways has rarely been so clueless and misfiring in such jerkish fashion.
Must be something in the water down Virginia way.
A woman on another board talked about how, in her mid-twenties, she hoped that if she had any serious medical condition arise it would be gynecological, because at least if it were gynecological, she knew where she could get affordable health-care. If she broke an arm or got a severe lung infection or something, she was screwed.
“Essentially vanished?”
I’ve posted twenty times in that thread, and those posts include ones that you have replied to, and I have replied to you in turn.
Perhaps I need to stop focusing on your hypocriscy and start helping you with basic math. In what messaage board world does twenty posts in a thread equate to “essentially vanished?”
I don’t blame you for trying to shift the actual debate to the Pit, where you can attack me personally and avoid the embarrassing exposure of your inability to identify an single actual case that illustrates the ills you claim are inevitable.
No, wait. I do blame you.
I’m willing to admit when I’m wrong, as this thread demonstrates.
Are you? When have you?