Sept 28, 1987 - Encounter At Farpoint

I submit you all are remembering TOS through rose colored glasses. TOS’s sexism has only gotten worse through time. I find the subtle and not-subtle sexism to be a big distraction. You can only shrug and say “it was a different time, you understand” so long.

I watched *Metamorphosis * last night for the first time in a long time. That episode has more issues than my National Geographic collection. And it isn’t even considered as one of the classic TOS stinkers.

Kirk & co. jump to the conclusion very fast, with no real evidence, that the Companion is in love with Cochrane. When Cochrane complains about effectively being raped by the Companion, it’s shrugged off. (I can hear Cochrane, in Col. “Bat” Guano’s voice, yelling about ‘alien pre-versions’).

Commissioner Hedford is portrayed in the opening scenes as a frigid bitch. At first she’s shown to be disgusted by being brought there as (possibly) a sex slave for Cochrane, but then later she literally gets hysterical and runs crying from the room when it is revealed she’s going to likely die there, alone. Because, really, all she needed (wanted?) was a good fuck, and Cochrane is rejecting being ‘loved’, where she never had time for a man.

Speaking of a Man, no one even questions whether Cochrane loves the Companion back. I guess unrequited love is a thing of the past in the 23rd century? Or are you just expected to love back anyone that loves you, no matter what? Let alone, what if he is gay? These things aren’t even considered.

The concepts of male and female may be ‘universal’, but apparently human sexual preference is all straight in the future.

No one even bothers to ask Hedford what she thinks about giving up her body and mind to be a host for a psychotic ([1960s man voice]well, the Companion IS female, after all [1960s man] ) alien with puppy-love. What about her choice, her career, her desires? Inconsequential, apparently, to our not-smug TOS crew. Did she have family back home that would miss her, that she would miss? Not important.

At least Picard and co. asked these questions, even if they didn’t always have the answer we liked.

And don’t forget Wolf In the Fold, where Kirk and co. actually believe Scotty might be butchering women in a Jack the Ripper manner solely because he was in an accident “caused by a woman”. Does that happen a lot in the TOS era? If one of the male engineers had caused the accident, would Scotty likely be butchering random men?

What about Mudd’s Women, aka Three Brides for Three Miners? What about Rand pining away for her commander (“I wanted you to notice my legs!”), Chapel being a one-note character that only is there to love Spock? For every well-balanced Areel Shaw, we get several Janice Lesters.

FWIW, I’ve always hated “Metamorphosis.” It’s lame and stupid and made little sense, and I find it hard to believe it was written by Gene Coon.

They should have retired the whole love interest thing after “City on the Edge of Forever.” It was in the second season that the quality of the writing began to decline, and none of the really good episodes had any love interest at all (except for “Balance of Terror,” where Kirk unnecessarily hugs Rand).

It also had that whole bit about the wedding.

And I think “Mirror, Mirror” counts as a classic.

I forgot about that. Okay, there were two classy passing of the torch moments. Because that episode was just plain fun!

Good points.

I thought the wedding (which, remember, never actually came off) was an interesting and realistic development; it’s hard to believe that on a ship with 430 crew members, there wouldn’t be some who were husband and wife. The same goes for the ecumenical chapel, which was never shown again. (Apparently, people in the future will still harbor some religious beliefs.)

In “Mirror, Mirror,” Marlena as “the Captain’s Woman” was meant to show how decadent the Empire was; normally, Kirk would have had to rely on his charm alone to seduce her (and probably did later on :cool: ). She was also instrumental in getting the good guys back where they belonged (and, it was implied, deposing Evil Kirk when he got back so Borderline Evil Spock could take command). Sex and treachery, yes (she seemed pretty mercenary to me), but not a lot of love, IMHO.

Yeah, but you remember how the episode ended, right?

As I said, Good Kirk probably nailed Good Marlena after he got back, which was entirely in character for him. But the outcome was only implied, never shown. :wink:

Well, I for one, liked “Metamorphosis.” :wink:

Oops, I was wrong on this one. It was used in “The Tholian Web,” when everybody thought Kirk was dead. Silly moi! :smack:

Well, aside from letting the Companion take over Nancy’s body because she was just gonna die anyway, and then forgetting about the war she was supposed to prevent, I guess it *was *kind of a reaffirmation of, uhm, traditional values.

I can never get past “What the hell are they doing that far into deep space in a shuttlecraft?!?” :dubious: :confused:

Nobody ever said TOS didn’t have issues. Eps like that (and Turnabout Intruder) show up sexism.

What we are saying is that TOS, as a whole, seems to have aged better than TNG. I would say TNG seasons 1-3 were esp in that issue. TNG 6 and 7 were better (with exceptions like the Winchester ep about agism, was that season 6?), and 4 and 5 were a mix.

As soon as TUU was effectively dumped, TNG and later series got better overall.

If we start dissecting individual episodes, we can find all sorts of issues (in EVERY series) about sexism, racism, agism, drugism, totalitarianism, etc…

Naziism :smiley:

And even with that said, I know that YMMV. Big time, even.

But, I am not viewing TOS with rose colored glasses. Look back at my 12 yr history here. I’ve had plenty to say about all Treks, pro and khan, and am not closed to others thoughts. Heck, one of my best Trek Doper friends prefers DS9, can you imagine that? :wink:

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“WHOOOOSSHHHH!”

Regards,
cochrane

Oh, I get it now! :smiley:

Well, you’re wrong. Keep in mind that I’m not arguing that TOS isn’t dated. I just think TNG has aged more poorly than TOS.

I, for one, will take blatant sexism over incessant, touchy-feely moralizing any day! :mad:

I was at my friend’s house a couple days after it first aired (and I’d already seen it) and his dad was in the other room watching a tape of it for the first time. I’ll never forget him yelling “YES! THEY STILL HAVE VULCANS!” when some extra with pointy ears walked past in the background.

I thought that Picard’s presence in the DS9 pilot was exceptionally well done. It wasn’t gimmicky & humorous, but quite the opposite. Sisko completely ambushing a dumbfounded (and essentially innocent) Picard about his little Borg exploit directly causing the death of his wife. It set the more serious, adult tone for DS9 perfectly.

I also liked the first episode of Enterprise. Obviously being a prequel to all the others they had to figure a sneaky way to do it and I think that getting James Cromwell (Cochran from the film First Contact) to record a speech played as they leave Earth for the first time was a classy idea (especially only hearing his voice, not showing him on screen in bad age-makeup).

Doesn’t she more hug him? And their relationship was shown several times in the first season episodes Miri, The Naked Time, and especially The Enemy Within. And did you ever read the account that Grace Lee Whitney was fired from the series because the network specifically wanted Kirk to be a smooth, roguish ladies-man and did not want him tied down to any one girlfriend. She was rather pissed off about it, quoting Whitney from an article in an old *Starlog *magazine, “It was because they wanted more sex for the captain!”

Also too, thou must not criticize Balance of Terror. Best. Original Trek. Episode. Ever! :smiley:

I never understood why they didn’t get Glen Corbett back to play Cochrane in First Contact. He would have been just the right age, prior to being rejuvenated by the Companion.

She comes closer to him, but he puts his arm around her to shelter her.

I’ve heard the story of how Rand limited opportunities for Kirk’s romances, but I think there was some sexual harassment involved too (as in, she wouldn’t put out for certain people). There certainly was in Nichelle Nichols’ case, which was one reason she was determined to leave the show in the first season. She was talked out of it by none other than Martin Luther King. From what I’ve heard, Terri Garr had a similar experience in the second season, and she still refuses to discuss her role on Star Trek with anyone.

For the record, “Balance of Terror” is one of my all-time favorite episodes!