Jews for Jesus is certainly a Christian group that uses deception to attempt to convert Jews with the express intention of destroying Judaism, but it is hardly a “Christian conspiracy against Jews” - for one, the vast majority of Christians have (and want) nothing to do with them.
The main difference between that and Jewish leadership of groups aiming to destroy Christianity in Greece or elsewhere is that the latter is imaginary, whereas Jews for Jesus actually exists for all to see.
Little does he know that I’m alleging a vast conspiracy on the part of all Christians, everywhere, against Jews because Mossad demands it in order to take attention away from that fact that I really have been running a Jewish conspiracy against Greece.
As part of this conspiracy I tortured the OP’s family, right in front of him, until he agreed not to ever mention his OP again, and when I threatened to boil his kitten in oil, he conceded that he would only snipe from the sidelines every few days and would refrain from saying anything substantive.
Typical Jewish warmongering.
You say all the smart and substantive things and there’s nothing left for me to say 
Actually, there are numerous groups in the U.S. who identify as Christian who make a similar complaint.
Which reminds me, some other big ol Jews who are totally annoyed by the behavior of JfJ.
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](http://www.adl.org/special_reports/jews4jesus/christian_responses.asp)
Nor is an objection to that sort of behavior specifically unique to JfJ, unfortunately. It’s kinda an obnoxious move when anybody does it.
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](http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1065922.html)
And, naturally:
Some, but certainly not all or ever most Christians, are real obnoxious jerks when it comes to proselytizing. Specific efforts to target Jews especially when it’s in a particularly rude and/or slimy manner and/or has the express goal of eliminating Judaism… tend to provoke a significant response in general. Many Christians recognize this, and don’t engage in or support that sort of behavior.
They’re more fun to hang out with.
And those damn immigrants are taking our jobs!!!11
I like you. Your weird babbling has won me over.You remind me of cheese.
You can stay.
Dey took ur jerbs!
[Robert Downey Jr.]
What do you mean, " You people"
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Seems like this thread still has a use, after all.
Second Stone? You are a troglodyte unable to hold your own in a debate and you’re reduced to finding random links which you obviously don’t understand and babbling in GD with content that’s suited for the Pit. You’re a fool and a tool and the average IQ of the Dope would be raised in a statistically significant manner if you were to take up yelling at a wall rather than vomiting on your keyboard.
Stay out of GD, it’s obviously way, way above the capabilities of your intellect.
And, oh yeah, schmuck? If you’re going to allege that I’m a hypocrite who bends the truth so I can dishonestly argue for my [del]beloved[/del] [del]true home country[/del] “personally invested in” nation, do it in the Pit you fucking moron.
Cheers.
P.S. You’re also a flathead offenderati who copped an attitude, for post after post in yet another thread, demanding the right to take offense, when it was explained to you at length that no matter how you describe the trinity, it’s incompatible with Judaism. You went as far in your quest to take offense as describing posts of mine in which I went out of my way to say that I wasn’t calling Christianity polytheism… as calling Christianity polytheistic. You’re a weak willed fool whose neurons are evidently long distance pen pals and who, occasionally, collaborate towards a certain goal in a process much like the game of Telephone.
As long as I’m at it… no, moron. Cohen does not mock Jews. He uses caricatures about Evil Jews to mock racists. If you think that “throw the Jew down the well” is a song about how evil Jews are, rather than how stupid racists can be, then you’re dumber than I have previously thought. And simply to lay my cards on the table, I’ve generally thought that you’re rather remarkably stupid.
Honestly, the thought that Cohen, who goes around making racists reveal their true colors and cursing people out in Hebrew (what, you thought that was Kazakh he was speaking?) is somehow anti-Jewish is mind-boggling to me. Sasha is a god among men.
It’s just how stupid Stone is. He honestly and truly believes that Cohen is mocking Jews.
Finnegam, you are attacking second stone because he showed what a dishonest, double-standard debater you are?
Yes. That’s it exactly.
Crawl back into your hole now.
By the way, for those reading along who don’t want to check out the other thread, Stone (and, it seems, Dog’s) Chain O’ Stupid goes something like this:
-Several years ago, I got into an argument with Scylla where I pointed out, with copious cites, that America had tortured/“abused”/“extraordinarily rendered” dozens of people to death. For my trouble, I was called a traitor. I objected to this.
-Later, I would point out (numerous times) that the fallacies of composition and division are often used by bigots/racists to both construct and justify their irrational worldviews.
-Then, there was a thread in GD which talked about an American Jew who set out to make a thoroughly dishonest ‘documentary’, cherrypicking drunken Americans in Jerusalem in an attempt (in the words of his compatriot) to draw conclusions about “the American Jewish community”. That, while trying to conflate American Jews with Israelis and Israeli policy and politics. For obvious reasons, people objected and Elv1s, in one of his rare moments of lucidity, pointed out that the American Jew who set out to ‘show’ what badguys American Jews are is a self-hating Jew.
Stone, then, apparently having stayed in a Holiday Inn recently, thought he could open his yap without sounding like a fool.
First he alleged absurd shit like calling someone a self-hating Jew was anti-Semitic (!!!) because it meant that you were saying Jews have to be hating someone, anybody, at all times. And that you were somehow slandering all Jews, or something.
He’s now gone on to babbling about how identifying self-hating Jews is “denigrating someone’s ethnicity for having a dissenting opinion”. Of course, he refused to look at whether or not the label is ever accurate and a vile fuck like Bobby Fischer would qualify, being someone who is Jewish and hates Jews/Judaism/Jewishness.
Of course, after his flood of pure liquid stupid, he refused to actually create a cogent argument, merely stating that i was calling people “traitors to Judaism” and that “It would take a exceptional aptitude for obtuseness to misunderstand the link.”
Somewhere around there that slug of a thinker decided that I’d somehow evinced hypocrisy (since, obviously, someone who tells the truth supported by dozens of cites about American torture and objects to being called a traitor is exactly the same as an American Jew who sets out to create a bit of deceptive propaganda in order to show how bad American Jews are)… and, naturally, that such hypocrisy was used so that I could engage in “discrediting those who want Israel to follow the principles of law and equality.”
At which point Dog, the idiot, decided that by George, if he couldn’t argue his own way out of a paper bag in order to justify his shit-stupid OP, then maybe someone else could! Of course, along the way Dog also evinced the reading skills of a (slow) fifth grader and alleged that my posting was somehow incomprehensible. His inability to understand simple English means either that I suck at conveying my ideas… or that he’s a hair’s breadth away from being functionally illiterate. Something tells me I’m not all that horrible at slinging the lingo.
Or, as I was very tempted to say in GD “That post is a mirror. If a monkey looks in, no great philosopher looks back out.”
So, that pretty much brings us up to date. Stone is fucking stupid and has a bad habit of getting his dander up when his neurons start flickering madly; he doesn’t quite understand why he’s taken offense, merely that he should be as difficult as possible in prosecuting his grievances against the offender. Dog, of course, is just kinda quietly pathetic most of the time except when he emerges from his hole (with a ‘splorch!’ noise, I would wager) to gnaw on my ankles.
Such is life.
Equally vital and relevant is the fact that the cousin of Denny McLain, frequent radio show host and magazine column author, author of several published books, former Detroit Tiger and Cy Young award-winning pitcher and still holder of the unmatched and unbeaten record for number of games won in a single season (31 games), as well as a multi-album organist and music group founder who performed on The Ed Sullivan Show, and a highly recidivist criminal convicted of quite a few felonies including, but not limited to, drug trafficking, embezzlement, racketeering with Anthony Spilotro and John Gotti Jr., mail fraud, and conspiracy for embezzling pension funds, former heavy Pepsi addict, and served as a model for Kevin Costner’s character “Denny” in his critically praised film The Upside of Anger…
… is a Charter Member of the SDMB!
Oh, and McLain was also the Roman Catholic Confirmation Sponsor of the same member of the SDMB. Oh, and that same member was also the target of serious romantic advances from a certain well-known skeptical magician (whom the member remains quite fond of). Oh, and the member’s best friend for more than 30 years is an enormously gifted autodidact musician who’s released roughly 60 CDs of his own compositions which have won many awards and have achieved remarkable critical praise.
I say we ban that cousin/member immediately! How can any of us trust the cousin of a massively felonious former Cy Young award winner?
This is where I just can’t get behind Finn’s outrage over these Jews for Jesus chuckleheads. The value of any culture exists solely in the people who practice it. If, somehow, J4J was able to peacefully convince every single Jew on the planet to stop being Jews and start being Christians - well, I guess that just means that Judaism wasn’t that valuable, and therefore, it’s loss is of no great moment. Calling that an annihilation just seems over the top. All those Jews are still going to exist, they’re just going to have different ideas in their heads. Talk of annihilation should be reserved for situations with gas chambers and crematoria, I think.
Notice, though, I was talking about the annihilation of Judaism (the religion) not Jews. Would you prefer something like “elimination” to “annihilation”?
Let’s say, instead, that Nefarious Fundamentalist Group Alpha had cooked up some sort of retroviral vector designed to re-write people’s genetic code and totaly remove any genetic basis for anything other than heterosexuality, turning 100% of the planet totally straight. Would it, then, be inaccurate to say that they were working on the elimination of homosexuality even if it wasn’t for the elimination of homosexuals?
Part of the reason why JfJ are so odious is that they represent the latest in a long, long, long line of Christians who have attempted to eliminate Judaism (the religion) by turning all Jews into Christians. And, not, I don’t have a problem with Jews converting, or intermarrying, or whatever. I do have a problem with deliberate attempts to convert Judaism out of existence and/or to do so via malicious trickery.
Essentially, European Christians have about 1500 years of killing, torturing and generally oppressing Jews in order to make us convert to Christianity. Anti-Semitism of that sort really wasn’t even dealt with until the aftermath of WWII, if then. That yet another Christian group has taken up the banner of eliminating the Jewish religion (through trickery, what’s more) is just another data point on a long, long timeline.