I couldn’t make those parts fit, because I’m not aware of any felony offense directly tied to the act of entering the country. What am I missing?
When are you going to switch up your act? Or is it not an act and you are in fact this hateful and bereft of empathy for other human beings?
Well, there’s an argument to be made that 8 U.S. Code § 1326 would qualify, I suppose.
But, for a moment, take what iiandyiiii was just saying about hatred for “genocidal killers, rapists, and those few other real monsters”. If an undocumented immigrant makes that list, why, then, cue the hatred; and, well, figure the un-document-ed-ness is what’s letting them sidestep detection: they figure they wouldn’t be allowed in, due to the felony stuff, and they — come in anyway, without trying to get the permission we wouldn’t grant. But the hatred, AFAICT, would be, uh, permissible; and the desire to secure the border and screen would-be entrants, to sort out the monstrous felons from those who merely engage in illegal activity, could follow. And a guy running for president would presumably say something about how some of them are rapists and some of them are good people, but that’s another story.
it’s good manners to link stuff like that, viz.
Nobody’s asking whether there’s an argument to be made, folks are wondering for whom you reserve your hatred. That’s an elusive and apparently moving target. AFAICT, now you’re saying you hate anyone who’s deported and then reenters? Or you suppose an argument could be made that you hate anyone who’s deported and then reenters? Really trying to follow along here.
For christ’s sake, if you’re reserving your hatred for genocidal killers, fuckin say so, and stop with the illegal aliens business.
All apologies — you said you weren’t aware of any felony offense directly tied to the act of entering the country, and so I said I supposed that the one I then mentioned could arguably qualify.
To be clear, there are a lot of reasons for folks to come into our country without following legal protocols.
Juan the Worker lives in a small valley community in Mexico which, thanks to NAFTA, lost its ability to farm corn. His wife is one of the 15% of women in Mexico with anemia, due to widespread malnutrition. His children were all born underweight. His brother works construction in Los Angeles and is sending money home to his family. Juan knows that Americans have set a law preventing people like him from entering the country, but Americans are also hiring people like him. If he goes to Los Angeles, he can send home enough money that his family can eat properly, and maybe even dig a new well for clean water. So he goes to Los Angeles; and then after he’s deported, he comes back to Los Angeles. How hateable is he?
Vittoria the Victim is the daughter of a cop in Ecuador who’s refused to take a bribe from a cartel. The cartel has threatened to torture and murder her as a way to put pressure on the cop. She flees for the United States, believing that’s her best chance at safety. How hateable is she? She brings her 14yo, Daniela the Daughter. How hateable is she?
That’s not an apology. If you’d just answer the question–do you hate anyone who’s deported and then re-enters?–no apology would be needed.
Well, not for this exchange; save the apologies for your insane racist xenophobia.
I would say: “not hateable.”
Oh. “No.”
I’m not seeing much daylight between calling someone’s actions “pretty fucking deplorable” and saying you hate them.
When the dangers are “drowning trapped in razor wire,” I’m having trouble seeing the daylight between this quote and hating the people involved.
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ICE and other law enforcement agencies should enforce the immigration laws that have been established. If people believe that regulations and laws surrounding asylum should be changed, clarified, etc., then congress shoud take that up and make changes. If people believe that amnesty, citizenship or “a pathway to” should be granted to undocumented aliens that were brought to the US when they were minor children (dreamers), then congress should take that up and make changes.
"Majorities of Americans also say taking in civilian refugees from countries where people are trying to escape violence and war (72%) and allowing immigrants who came to the country illegally as children to remain in the U.S. and apply for legal status (72%) should be important goals for the immigration system. "
I personally believe that we need to make our immigration policies have more clarity. I also believe that we should be increasing are net level of immigration into the US as a means to manage the tightness of our labor markets. 3.5% unemployment is too tight, and it creates problems with our supply chains which also has an impact upon inflation.
Nobody ever trots out the “love the sinner, hate the sin” cliché around you? I always figured you can find an action deplorable without hating the person who takes that action; figure you can do it while otherwise thinking quite positively of them; figure you can do it while generally being indifferent to them. And so on.
What, you can’t see a difference between hate and, uh, indifference?
Equally regardless of race, I said. Which is true: if you tell me about one, and omit mention of race, I’m going to despise them on a scale of 0-100 — and then, if you tell me their race, that’ll remain unchanged.
That’s a super fuckin disingenuous response, and it’s clear that you’re trolling. I’m done.
Plenty of times.
Never seen it done where it wasn’t a blatant lie, though.
What about the opposite? If a guy does one good action, does that get him a pass from you forever, or can you notice that he’s generally a bad person who’s still doing a lot of bad things and figure look, we all love that one thing he did, but isn’t it possible to look past that and realize he’s not really all that good a person?
Because, if you can, then it seems easy to grant that someone did one bad thing but it’s possible to look past that and realize that, no, he’s not all that bad a person. And if you can’t, then, what, one good action can win you over permanently, but one bad action can ruin him for you permanently? That seems like an unstoppable-force-immovable-object scenario in the making…
It’s curious, then, why the “hate the sin, love the sinner” folks don’t seem to do it.
As I’m on the record of being a former undocumented immigrant, it is clear what TOWP thinks about people like me. It is clear that when he called me an invader he is already assuming that we do come the US with the intension of killing or removing the “native” population. A big lie and as you point out, contrary about what Christianity is about. He will always willfully ignore history and changes in the laws because besides making him look like an idiot, he would realize what a cad he is.
“Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.” John 3:20
Quoting that because that bit about hating the sin but not the sinner is not in the Bible…
You misunderstand me. I’m not arguing that it’s impossible for someone to sometimes do good things, and sometimes do bad things. I’m saying that every person I’ve ever interacted who used that particular cliche was lying about it. They absolutely hated the sinner, and it showed in both their speech and their actions. It’s just an excuse to treat people like shit while still polishing your own halo.
You’re not exactly breaking the streak, here, with your support for murdering people for crossing an invisible line on a map.
I’m saying: let them know just what’s in store for them if they cross that line: hey, we explain, this line is a spot where we set out to stop invaders with lethal force; stay back, maybe fo make your case for entry somewhere else, or else you’ll face lethal force the way they face lethal force. And then, if they decide that sounds acceptable and step forward anyway — well, that’s their call, I guess; I would’ve been happy to see them do something else instead, but I want to make sure we put all the cards on the table before they make that choice. And as for my reaction to that choice, I kind of figured my position inclined more to “cold indifference” or “beneath consideration” talk than to, y’know, “burning hatred”.
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