You and I are so rarely in agreement but man oh man…
And if he had already invested time and energy into trying to pursue or entertain the interest of a real woman, and has failed?
How long and how much investment does he have to make before he may make a decision to give his attentions to something that at least won’t rebuff them?
I’m not sure how that would work. Sure, the fact that your children may end up with the same circumstances as you may make things worse, but it’s not like being childless makes any sort of slavery better.
I don’t think it’s offensive, if you understand the difference between Ultimate and Proximate Causation.
SamuelA is looking at the situation as a matter of Ultimate Causation , whereas you may be looking at it from a point of view of Proximate Causation.
And it continues to descend.
Loneliness is an emotional state. Closeness and connectedness ameliorate that state. Sex is the vehicle through which men are supposed to obtain that intimacy and connectedness and remain happy and healthy. They tend not to stay happy or healthy if they’re not getting those positive interactions. And the average man would rather nail his own tongue to the floor than share this knowledge and may not even possess it, perhaps you’ve noticed. But yeah, what you’re saying makes sense once you leave the quasi-political shit out of it and focus on what is actually beneficial. If the doll is merely a sex aid it wouldn’t be any more effective than masturbation; you would want some kind of role play bonding that approximates a loving partner. And obviously a lot of people can do that.
Don’t disagree with most of the rest of your post, but this puzzles me.
Sex aids make masturbation more effective, that’s their designed and intention, else-wise, they would not exist.
So, yeah, I see a sex doll or even robot as simply a sex/masturbation aid, but that doesn’t mean that it cannot improve said sex/masturbation.
Good god, you cannot be fucking serious.
Seriously, is this supposed to be a joke or cute or something?
You know there are actual sex slaves in the real world, right? You’ve heard of human trafficking, right? They are suffering deeply and this glib response is funny to you?
It’s offensive if you have empathy. Empathy is also necessary for successful human relationships.
Its a good question and I’m not going to pretend I have all the answers. But from his account, it seems the guy doesn’t have a hard time forming relationships; successfully maintaining them is the issue. What’s behind that and is it something a therapist might help with? He never mentioned consulting with a professional; it just seemed like he concluded that he was not made for relationships so a doll was the best and only alternative.
A human sex slave is a living, breathing person who is more than her sex organs. A person. Not a program. Not an incubator for the next generation. She is a person. Her desire not to be raped and enslaved is the desire of all living, breathing people not to be tortured.
I didn’t take it as glib. There are sex slaves. It doesn’t minimize their suffering to try and explain why human beings find captivity and slavery to be so repugnant. I don’t know if I buy the evolutionary explanation, but I don’t find it offensive to speculate on it.
And if we could create robots that were convincing replicas of actual people, we could leave that out of their psychological makeup. I think there’s an interesting debate about whether we should, but it’s separate from the issue of human sex trafficking.
Never mind
Gosh, lady, you are just mad when that dude rapes you repeatedly because it’s not your ideal evolutionary situation. How about if he promises to keep your babies? Wait, did I say something wrong?
Not entirely, couples use them too.
My comment is based on post #26.
“Not your ideal evolutionary situation” was, literally, a matter of life and death. Far from minimizing it, the way we handled things like that, and still handle them, are a large part of why we exist.
Standing on the edge of a cliff is not my ideal evolutionary situation. I’m not as phobic about it as some people, but I’d never force it on somebody who didn’t want it.
I don’t think you’re managing to convey any real recognition of the suffering of someone being repeatedly raped. It’s really not like you standing on the edge of a cliff that you’re not as phobic about as some people.
Did you miss the parts where I said it was “repugnant”, and “life and death”?
Reducing the suffering of a sex slave to evolutionary resentment is, frankly, insane. If someone thinks that the reason a woman doesn’t want to be raped because it means her offspring may not survive to reproduce themselves, that person is displaying an astonishing lack of empathy and understanding of human sexuality.
It also smacks of making things more complicated than necessary. People don’t want to be sex slaves for the same reason they don’t want to be forced to eat shit. No explanation required.