Trying moving to Colorado, you’ll have plenty of company. I am of course talking about the high road to Mount Evans.
It feels like you’ve really gone around a bend but maybe with the slower traffic nowadays behavior like this just stands out more. Tell me, 19 years ago when you joined up here, did you ever think you would be repeating unsubstantiated incest rumours just to piss off the libtards?
Perhaps you can summarize the evidence which say I’m wrong. Was Martin committing crimes against person or property while he was being pursued by an armed Zimmerman? If not I find it hard to excuse Zimmerman’s conduct.
Haven’t got into the case for some time. I watched Zimmerman’s walkthrough of the crime scene at one point and from his perspective he had no legitimate reason to pursue Martin.
No, Martin wasn’t committing any crimes while Zimmerman was pursuing him. That came later.
OK.
A summary of the evidence that Martin was committing aggression against Zimmerman would include that Martin punched Zimmerman in the face (evidence: marks on Martin’s knuckles consistent with having punched someone, Zimmerman’s facial injuries, lack of any damage to Martin apart from the single gunshot wound), Martin knocked Zimmerman down and sat on his chest bashing his head on the ground (evidence: lacerations to Zimmerman’s head, grass stains and moisture on Zimmerman’s back and Martin’s knees, witness testimony stating that Martin was on top of Zimmerman), and that Martin did so because Zimmerman asked him “what are you doing around here” (evidence: Dee Dee’s testimony on what she heard Martin and Zimmerman say to each other).
From Zimmerman’s perspective, his reason to follow Martin was that there had been multiple break-ins in the neighborhood and at least one shooting, and Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch.
If by “legitimate” you mean “legal”, it is legal to follow someone and to ask what they are doing. Trials are about what’s legal. Thus following somebody is legal, attacking them and smashing their head into the ground is not.
Regards,
Shodan
What Zimmerman did pre-fight was tacky, dumb, racist, but 100% legal. What Martin did when he approached Zimmerman in the street was 100% illegal, and in that state, Zimmerman’s response was within the law. So would it have happened if Zimmerman wasn’t as a-hole? No. But it also wouldn’t have happened if Martin had not gone out in search of him, either. Or if Martin had gone out, found him, and engaged in a verbal confrontation (e.g. What’s your deal a-hole? Why are you following me?) Bashing anyone’s head in the street because you are mad they were following you, whatever the dumb reasoning or intent, is not a reasonable reaction in the eyes of the law. So while you can empathisize with Martin’s feelings and reactions, and the senseless loss of life, the truth is he would be alive if he had not initiated a violent life-threatening confrontation with someone who was NOT putting his life in immediate jeopardy. The fact Zimmerman is basically glad it happened and would love to do it again makes it all the more sickening and offensive, but the only law broken here unfortunately was by Martin.
There was a recent incident where a racist woman challenged a black man’s reason for being in her apartment building, and it turned out, he lived there. If his reaction to this had been jumping on her and bashing her head on the ground, he would be guilty of a crime, she would not- pretty much same thing here.
Congratulations on yet another successful self-serving hijacking of a topic, Shodan.
You can’t manage to sustain a Pitting, and that’s supposed to be my fault? Pardon my lack of contrition.
Regards,
Shodan
It’s not a hijack. He’s just helpfully providing more material for the thread topic.
I guess you’re an empty nester now and making a loud display of your lack of contrition is just the hobby you decided to go with. I’m more of a golf guy.
By his posts, introspection is not Shodan’s style (I really like the question you asked in post #122). Which is a shame, because I think it’s clear he’s a smart guy.
Sure, I like mocking. But it’s possible to mock someone without resorting to “haha, he fucks sheep! Or maybe he doesn’t! DERP!” :rolleyes:
see?
Oh come on - it’s all in good fun.
Go Molest a Baboon,
Shodan
Shut up sheep fucker!
There are many ways to mock…
yes, but the thread would be a better read if more people aimed for South Park instead of Brickleberry, Bill Hicks instead of Carlos Mencia:)
…Some of which are creative and entertaining, and the rest come from Czarcasm.
Regards,
Shodan
I started reading the thread but was taken aback by the following, even before I got to the “bump.”
Mr. Heffalump, am I correct to assume you are a foreigner who knows nothing at all about the Martin killing? In particular you seem ignorant of the fact that Zimmermann had called the police and the police instructed him that they were on the way and NOT to follow the suspect.
I have exactly two Dopers set to Ignore and those two are exactly equal to the two Dopers named in thread title. 
Did either of the two Dopers ever answer the question implied in my above post?
Saying that Shodan does NOT fuck goats - well, who can be sure? There are those rumors that nobody has been able to disprove - is exactly in the wheelhouse of South Park.
I don’t think you’ll be satisfied by anyone’s summary. So please read the whole Wikipedia article. Or start at ‘Background of the Shooting’ and see where reading takes you.