Not very good, no. The hollowpoint fills up with plaster from the sheetrock, but penetrates nicely through it and further through several layers of 3/8" plywood as well. You’re likely to have rounds passing through the house and out the other side and potentially hurting people there.
The .40 is somewhere between a 9mm and a 45acp in power, size, and muzzle velocity.
Cite? Not being snarky, I’ve just never heard of a 28-gauge shotgun. 20, 12, 10, and .410 sure, just not 28 gauge. So would be curious in having my ignorance fought.
Yeah, they exist, but they’re not super-common. According to this CNN story, “[Katherine] Armstrong [owner of the ranch on which they were hunting,] said Cheney was firing a 28-gauge shotgun, a small-bore weapon commonly used for hunting birds.” A 28 gauge shotgun has a bore diameter of 0.55 inches, quite a bit smaller than the 0.729 for a standard 12 gauge, but still larger than a .410.
Depends on the walls, really. Sheetrock is no problem for most bullets. My exterior walls are brick, which I would think would do an excellent job at stopping even a rifle cartridge. If yours are wood, sticks, snow, grass, or straw, the bullet could sail right through with ease. And of course, if your stray shot hits a window, it’ll go a great deal farther (has the guy with the box ever tested birdshot through glass?).
Of course bullets can go through sheetrock and wood, and the guy with the box does a good job of testing and all that, but it’s not a real life situation. A bullet fired into a box that hits the wood at a 90 degree angle is well and good, but in real life the bullet is probably going to hit at something other than 90 degrees, which will unbalance it, rip the jacket off, and tear it apart. This goes double (or triple) for hollow points. Does the guy at Box O’ Truth test hollow points?
I seem to recall some SWAT unit that did their own penetration tests with different types of weapons, ammo and walls. To their surprise, they found that 9mm or shotgun slug had actually better chances of penetrating hard wall than .223. Heavier, solid but short bullet punched through without loosing much energy, but long, slim rifle bullet tended to break into fragments, loose jacket and overall quickly dissipate it’s energy. On the other hand, with softer wall materials effect was inverted and 9mm penetrated them less… My memories are hazy and I can’t find the cite, but iirc they found that out of their arsenal shotgun slugs had most chances of overpenetration, with 9mm and buckshot much less, and .223 depending on the wall hardness - with overpenetration risk being negligible for brick or rock, but substantial for wood or drywall.
The four guns used in most skeet competitions are 12, 20, 28 and 410. 28 and 410 are considered experts guns, and are favored by skilled hunters for dove, quail and grouse. As noted from a previous post, Cheney was using a 28 guage. If it was a 12, there was a very good possibility that he would have killed his hunting partner. A 12 gauge round loaded with 7.5 shot contains about 300 pellets, a 410 about 90.
The newspaper showed and identified the gun he used, but that was several days ago and I can’t find it online. However, it was a semi auto shotgun and he fired three rounds and had to stop to reload. I’m not sure how common a semi auto is for skeet shooting. But my opinion is that he didn’t plan it very well or he would have removed the plug so it would hold more than three shots.
One of Mrs. Plant’s friends in New Hampshire used a .410 in skeet shooting. She said it was because she wasn’t big enough to through a .12 gauge around all day. I should have been more impressed.
Very. I shoot trap competitively with an over/under. When I’m screwing around shooting skeet or sporting clays, it’s my Beretta semi-auto all the way (which is also my bird gun). And yeah, if he didn’t have the foresight to remove the plug (which would have given him 3-4 rounds in the magazine) then he wasn’t very bright. But then again, we’re talking about a whack-job who just killed some people in a church.
Consider my ignorance very much fought; I thought it was a 12-ga from a decent distance away.
I’ve never used a small-gauge shotgun, partly because I wasn’t ever that good of a shotgunner and never shot skeet or targets, but mostly because the only birds I hunted were pheasants and (rarely) geese with my dad.
I hunt pheasant and won’t do it without a 12, usually in 6 shot. They are a hardy bird and can run like roadrunners when wounded. Geese are another entity altogether, that’s why some of the newer loads are something I wouldn’t even pretend to shoot in a target round. Some of the hard-core turkey shooters shoot 3 and a half inch shellls in 4-6 shot at ranges of 50-70 yards, with a pattern that is that dense out to those ranges, ie., 30 inches at that range.
