Should I risk offending my wife to stop her smoking?

I’d like opinions. I wrote this fictional scenario and am contemplating giving it to my wife to get her to stop smoking. What do you think? Is this too hardcore a scenario, or is it just the right medicine to make her truly think about the consequences of cigarettes?

Jessica, by the way, is my newborn daughter. Chris is her fictional future husband. I am Dave. Here it is:
Jessica lay on the hospital bed, scared for her life and excited about the prospect of creating new life. Dad sat bedside. His mind traveled from this day back to the birth of his daughter, and back again.

“You came into this world via Caesarian, too, but you weren’t expected,” the father said.

“Oh, Dad, you’ve told me about my birth a thousand times,” Jessica replied.

He smiled. “I know. I just want to soothe you. I know this is scary, but they’ve done this so many times here. They’re pros. And your life is safe.”

“Thanks, Daddy.”

The woman’s husband, Chris, returns from the restroom. “Are you okay, sweetie?”

“Yeah, as much as possible.”

“Wow, I can’t believe you’re having our baby. About an hour from now, I will be known as Daddy.”

“Yeah, and me, a mother. Who woulda thunk it? I still don’t know how we’re going to make it. I mean, it’s hard enough to take care of yourself in this world.”

“We’ll have to cut back, sell one of our cars, buy an old beat-up truck, or something. I’ll take an extra job if I have to.”

The father’s eyes move to the floor, back up, to the right and down again. He fights back tears. He has something to say, but doesn’t know if he’ll cry in the process. He breathes deeply and focuses.
"You know, your mother and I had the same issues when you were born 30 years ago, Jessica. You were a planned birth, but we had no idea you would grace us with your presence so quickly. And, your mother wasn’t working at the time. We just moved back to this area, and we were going to find her a job to save up some money before you were born, but it never worked out.

“But, we made sure that your mother was always home with you after the birth. Your mother made sure of that, because she never trusted anybody else, and she couldn’t be away from you …”

The father breaks down, crying, something he desperately wanted to avoid at this moment.

“Dave, you all right?” Chris asked.

Jessica began tearing up, too. She didn’t want to say anything, for fear she would break down, as well.

Dave composed himself, took one of Jessica’s tissues, walked to the restroom and blew his nose. He looked in the mirror. “Damn,” he thought. “I have gotten so much older in the past five years. It’s ridiculous. She kept me so strong. She did so much for me. I owe a great deal of my life to her. And, she can’t even be here for this. I just wish …”

Again, Dave cried. Again, he tried to compose himself.

Chris held Jessica’s hand. “Are you okay?”

“Yeah, I just wish my mother could be here,” Jessica sobbed. “You know, when you dream of this day as you grow up, you always envision your parents there the whole way for you. I miss her so much.”

“It’s gotta be hard.”

"It really is. You know, I think back to my high school graduation, and remember her, so proud of me. She made me this photo collage of my life, and we just cried together.

"And, then college, when I graduated, she was just starting to get sick, but she still managed to make this great jewelry box. She loved crafts, and she always made me these things that I’ve stored in a chestbox she bought me when I was 12.

“But, it was when I graduated college that for the first time ever, I thought, well, I thought it was possible that she wouldn’t be there for any more of those special moments, to make me those special little things. The thought came and went so quickly, because I just couldn’t imagine …”

Tears streamed down Jessica’s cheeks. She cried in her husband’s arms.

Dave re-entered the room.

“I’m so sorry, Pumpkin. I didn’t mean to cause such an emotional furor right before the biggest event in your life.”

“It’s okay, Dad. It’s probably best that I get it out now. I fought off these thoughts for the past few days.”

“Yeah, I figured. I know how it feels. My Dad died when I was 17, and I cried the night I graduated from college. I was in a bar, drinking with buddies, just as happy as a clam. And, then, without warning, I just started bawling. Luckily, most of my buddies weren’t at the table at the time. One friend – Jeff Halpern was his name — sat there and held my hand. I have no idea where he is, but I’ll never forget him for that.”

Jessica composed herself, wiped her eyes, and looked at her father.

“What is it, Jessica?” Dave knew his daughter, and he knew when she had something important to say.

“Will this pain ever heal?”

Dave thought, thought back to all the people he’s lost in his life.

“Not totally. But, someday, you will be able to remember your mother without the tears. I promise you that. You’ll just smile and remember all the great times. You’ll remember some of the bad times, too, but it will be so distant that they won’t matter anymore. You’ll find yourself doing something that your mother used to do when you were a kid, and you’ll smile.”

Chris felt a little awkward, like he might be intruding on this family moment. At the same time, he wanted to switch the focus of this moment to the new baby the family would soon have. “Dave, what was it like when Jessica was born?” he asked.

Dave smiled. "It was the best thing that ever happened to me. It was every emotion at once. I cried involuntarily. I mean, I never sobbed with happiness like that in my life.

“And, I was so proud of Kirsten. We didn’t even know Jessica was going to be born that day. She was due on Dec. 19, 2000. On Nov. 2, at about 6 p.m., it became apparent they were going to have to take Jessica in a matter of hours. My wife and I just looked at each other. The fear in her eyes was so strong, and I felt helpless. I don’t think I’ve ever been so scared, and it was Kirsten facing the procedure.”

“Why did they have to take Jessica early, again? I know you’ve told me, but I forgot.”

"Kirsten had a condition called toxemia, which can harm the baby and the mother. It’s common among first-time mothers. Thank God you didn’t get it, Jess.

“Anyway, we were so proud of Jessica. She was premature, but she was strong. She breathed without the aid of oxygen almost immediately. In just over three weeks, she came home to us.”

Jessica looked at her Dad. “I never asked you this. Did you ever think I wouldn’t make it?”

“No. I always thought you would, but there was always fear. Even when you were home, and you had put on all the baby fat, your mother and I would still occasionally get frightened. If you weren’t moving or making any noises, sometimes we’d get out of bed and put our hand on your chest just to make sure, you know, just for our own peace of mind. But, I think all parents do that.”

Jessica looked forlorn. “What is it, honey?” her father asked.

She fought back tears. “It’s just …”

“Go ahead. Get it out.”

“I just, I know you and Mom loved me so much, and sacrificed so much for me. But, of all the things she could have done for me, so that she could be here with me to help me through this, to help me become a mother, it was the one and only thing she wouldn’t do.”

Jessica’s sadness was interrupted only by anger. Tears streamed down Dave’s eyes.

“I know,” Dave said. “She tried to quit. She really did. She bought some Nicorette gum. She used that a few times. But, it’s a horrible addiction. I quit it, but it was so hard, the hardest thing I’ve ever done. And, your mother, she smoked since she was like 12 years old. In her heyday, it was two packs a day. The stress of motherhood, the stress of going back to work and still taking care of a family — it was too much for her. She could never just quit smoking.”

“I guess I just don’t understand, because I never smoked,” Jessica said, the anger starting to fade in her face.

"I know. And, I think your mother always felt she would live at least as long as her grandmother, who lived a pretty long time, despite smoking. But, once you get lung cancer, it can spread so quickly. It was a long three years your mother fought that disease — the longest and hardest years of our lives. And, still, she smoked sometimes. That’s how strong this addiction can be.

“I just wish I could turn back time and tell your Mom, if you don’t stop smoking, you’ll miss this moment. Because, I know she would quit.”

Again, Dave and Jessica cried. Chris cried, too.

Be honest with me, please.

To be honest, I found this whole scenario very creepy. If I were your wife, I’d probably be more than a little pissed at you.

Speaking as an ex-smoker, there is nothing that would make me quit. I had to be ready to quit on my own, and I had to quit for my own reasons. My husband is a non-smoker, and always has been, but he understood that and didn’t try to force me to quit.

Emotional blackmail doesn’t work for much of anything, and that’s what this story sounds like. Give her some space, and if her smoking bothers you that much, ask her to go outside. And if she is, in fact pregnant now, her OB will most likely talk to her about the risks of smoking and pregnancy.

In short, butt out. (no pun intended.)

Robin

If you knew she smoked when you married her, you knew you risked what you describe.

If you want her to quit tell her that. Be honest and tell her you worry about her health. But if she decides not to quit that is her decision, and again, you knew it when you married her (I am assuming that she didn’t just start smoking).

You are perfectly justified, however, is making rules about smoking near the baby.

Good, honesty. I love it. But, I’ll share what’s transpired to take me to this point …

My wife smoked through her pregnancy with our newborn daughter. Nothing I could do got her to quit. She smoked nearly two packs a day. Then, she was in the hospital for five days after the emergency C-section. She couldn’t smoke while at the hospital. She came home, puffed a cigarette, said it tasted horrible, and just continued to smoke. She tried Nicorette a few days before our baby came home from the neonatal ward at the hospital. I don’t think she will ever quit. It’s a horrible addiction. I thought maybe some tough love would work.

Maybe I’m wrong.

By and by, my wife originally smoked only outside when our daughter came home. She now is beginning to smoke in the kitchen with the window open and a fan blowing. I love my wife, but she is strong-willed and the words I speak have little or no effect on her smoking. I’ve often thought her first husband is cigarettes.

I am guilty of loving a smoker, and I was a smoker when I met my wife. The story I wrote is an attempt for my wife to understand what she might miss out on if she continues to smoke. It’s her choice.

Don’t give it to her. It proves nothing. Who knows, you could get hit by a bus tomorrow. She could live to be 100. Scare tactics don’t work. Just be honest. Tell her the truth, but like everyone else has been saying, it is up to her. She has to decide that it is time. Just don’t push.

You know, you’re probably right. I guess I’ve come to this point because I don’t know what else to do, and I really don’t want to lose her to smoking. And, this scenario I wrote, I think it is a form of emotional blackmail, using my daughter in an unfair way.

It’s funny. When I first thought of this, my mindframe was that this would be the perfect way to drive home the point to my wife that she should stop smoking. Even if it is, I agree now that it’s unfair, and it probably will just hurt her feelings.

Thanks for the replies. Feel free to keep them coming.

Your posts about your wife scare the crap out of me. She smoked while she was pregnant?? The baby is only 2 months old and she’s already given up the “smoke outside only” edict … it won’t be long till she’s smoking right next to the poor kid.

I don’t know what to advise, I can’t believe you had a child with this woman! Sorry but I am just stunned that in this day and age people can still be THAT stupid and selfish. Yes, I know it’s an addiction and that the PC thing to do is treat it as a disease. But for crying out loud you don’t then reproduce so the wreckage can continue for another generation.

That’s a pretty emotional story you wrote there; I don’t know if I can give you any advice on the smoking issue, but I can say that it has been medically proven that smoking around babies causes no end of problems. Be as firm as you have to about the no smoking around the kids (present and future) rule. Like everyone else has said, she has to quit on her own, in her own time, but she doesn’t have the right to injure the health of her kids while she injures her own. I agree with obfusciatrist - tell her why you want her to quit, that you worry about her health, you worry about your kids missing having a mother if she dies a smoking-related early death. Support her, make sure she doesn’t feel attacked, and let her know how you feel. You don’t have to change her overnight; you can plant the seed, and let her grow it herself. She’s an intelligent woman; she knows what she’s doing is not in her best interests. Also, don’t borrow too much trouble. Nobody knows when we’re going to go; appreciate each day, and enjoy your life with your wife and daughter.

Don’t use emotional blackmail. Unless she is blind, deaf and stupid she knows the risks. Making her feel guilty about it will piss her off, especially if she’s strong willed. (I don’t smoke, but I pretty much do what I please and I’ll beat any one who tries to manipulate me to do otherwise.)

Do tell her that you’re worried about your daughter’s health. About losing her. Make sure she knows that you’ll be very supportive if she decides to quit.

You are responsible for your daughter’s saftey, so push that issue, but you can’t control an adult. You can just love her.

I keep coming back to this thread, and I keep thinking about something I learned about myself in college. I’m posting this not as a judgment on Clucky or anyone else here, but hopefully as something to consider, in light of the OP, for those who’ve not yet chosen a mate.

Anyway, having grown up with a dad who smokes Luckies pretty regularly, I learned early on that smoking is nasty and I would never want to do it myself or be close to anyone who did. That being the case, I found that no matter how attractive I might find someone on first meeting him, as soon as I saw him with a butt hanging from his lips, the attraction instantaneously disappeared. Just like that.

(And yes, Mr. S is a dedicated nonsmoker, and no one is allowed to smoke in our home.)

Add me to the previous voices offering advice on how to deal with Mrs. Clucky’s current habit.

Geez, Brunetter, I didn’t know I was living with Godzilla. My baby’s healthy and happy, despite my wife’s weaknesses. You know, many of our mothers smoked when we were fetuses. They’ll tell us they didn’t know the risks back then, but come on, you couldn’t figure out smoking wasn’t good for the baby.

I will be strong with the smoking-away-from-the-baby thing, but I have no confidence I will ever talk my wife out of smoking. We’ve had serious discussions, and she didn’t respond. Now, when I bring it up, she ignores me. So, you know, whatcha gonna do?

You have to understand, this is the one area where I’m disappointed in my wife. Otherwise, she’s a great wife and wonderful mother.

I am a smoker. My husband is a quitting smoker. He understood when we ot married and I started smoking 6 months before the marriage, not to push the issue. The exception to the rule though was babies. Chris and I agreed that the day I found I was pregnant was the day I quit cold turkey. There was no discussion on this with him. That was the way it was going to be.

As for the story, I don’tthink you should give it to her. I think it would hurt her more than you can repair. I WOULD put my foot down if I were you. That is your baby as much as it is hers. A guilt trip is much worse than a confrontation. At least you wont ne beating around the bush and she can’t say that you guilted her into quitting.

i knew one woman who as soon she would get pregnant would stop smoking and drinking until after the child was born. she would start smoking outside after they were born. i was always a bit baffled by how she could start again after 9 months of quitting.

a coworker is having a very delicate pregnancy now and is going through all sorts of hoops to keep the pregnancy, except one, she won’t stop smoking.

a person won’t stop smoking until they are ready. when they are ready they will need all the support they can get. i would definatly enforce the no smoking in the house rule. in time your daughter will do her own stop mom from smoking campaigns.

  1. forget the story. Proves nothing, no new information, will just grate on her nerves. She KNOWS.

  2. She has every right to smoke herself into a coma if she wants to. What she does NOT have the right to do is expose your child to it and make your house stink. Therefore, it is not debatable that she doesn’t smoke in the house and doesn’t smoke near the child. And if I were you, I’d make a stand on it. No wimping out, shrugging shoulders and saying you are powerless. You are not. And this much you can and should demand of her.

  3. Hopefully, it will eventually help her in the same way it helped me, by breaking all my smoking habits (but don’t tell her that, and it’s not the point anyway. it’s jsut a bonus) Once I acclimated completely to only smoking outside, I was 3/4 of the way to successfully quitting. (I had been just shy of a chain smoker for 26 years. Smoking only outside was VERY hard to learn to do, it was almost like quitting. But I had no choice, my fiance would put up with nothing less if we were going to live together, and he had a right to make that demand. Smoking intrudes on other people’s space. You have a right to make demands on behalf of your child.)

Don’t hassle her constantly, but make these demands and don’t pussyfoot around about how important this is to you. Don’t coddle her addiction.

I probably never would have gotten the gumption to quit if it werent’ for my fiance and how unhappy it made him. He didn’t hassle me, but he didn’t coddle me and didn’t lie to me, either.

Life is SOOOOO much easier and sweeter with that monkey off my back…

stoid

As hard as it might be to deal with, you have no control over what she does with her body and, IMHO, no right to make decisions about it, as much as you might want to. As with any other difficult issue-drinking, diet, etc.-she will only make changes when she decides to. I think that loving reminders that she is an important and necessary part of your life and that you don’t want to lose her before her time are acceptable and might even be effective; but emotional blackmail is almost certainly doomed to backfire. I’ve talked with women online (where they are, perhaps, more likely to be honest) who smoked during pregnancy and they talked about discussing quitting with their doctors. Some of them said that they decided, with their doctors, that the stress of quitting would be more harmful than the actual smoking. I think that the best you can do for her is to help her find a good place in her life where she has the strength and support to quit for good.

However, you do have the right to make decisions about the health of your child. Second hand smoke does have negative effects. I can’t help but think of my brother (an adult now, who has asthma and carries an inhaler) who would start coughing each night, behind his closed bedroom door, when my father lit up his pipe. You do have the right to insist that she not smoke in the house with your child.

My mother did this with three kids. No smoking or drinking (or other drug taking) when pregnant. When it was over she went back to smoking, drinking (and other drug taking).

I think what it shows is that while smoking may be addictive, not all smokers are addicted. When she quit smoking, she just quit. Cold turkey and never had any problems (other than some weight gain).