Should I Tell Him My Sexuality?

[This post contains needless diversions, random comments, and strange people. Read at your own peril.]
Mike Thames is attractive; he is the most attractive person in the Mathematics Laboratory; and we are friends.

Let us examine the curious nature of Michael Thames. He says he is straight - and normally I take people’s word for it - but there is something not quite true about him. Something false.

Wednesday

I had just finished the Laboratory and was standing at a bench outside the class.
I took a swig of my water and put it back in my bag; at that moment Michael Thames walks out. I blatantly stare/glance at him.
He goes to the water fountain. I look away to put on my back pack. Suddenly he calls with a loud voice, as if talking to someone (though there was no one around), “I hate that class!”. Sensing this a ploy to get me to talk to him - and from it acquiring the impression that he is a closeted gay who is attracted to me(don’t laugh) - I respond with a disbelieving tone,

“Why?”

He hastily walks over to me, smiling. He says, “Because man, they make you do problems over and over, like I don’t already know them, and all the hot women in there treat me like I am stupid, you know what I mean?”

Feeling this would be the perfect time to <insert sexuality here> I open my mouth to respond; unfortunately the only thing to come out is a stuttered, “Yeah.”

He turns away then; I over-analyse and believe this to be a sign of disappointment; he stands off a little ways and turns back to me. I’m a honest fellow; My first impression of him was that he was an idiot by choice; so I asked him, “Are you stupid?”

“No, man…I’m not. Just - you know.” He says. It appears to me that he was slightly taken aback by that. He begins to move; I follow; soon we are side-by-side. We head down an exit I do not usually take; by now I am expecting him to ask if I am gay or not. We ARE in a stairway alone.

Nothing happens. Nothing continues to happen. Nothing lounges on a bench and watches us with interest. Finally, Something comes along and slaps Nothing with a door. The first floor door to be exact. Mike pushes it open and lets me through.

“Alright, it’s been nice…”

“I’m going the same way,” I cut in, desperate not to lose a good conversation. We keep walking. Suddenly he is all talk. I mention how he seems perpetually tired; he says lightly, “You’ve probably seem me lying on the floor, right?” but, still believing at the time that he was gay, I take it as him checking whether or not I have been paying attention to him.

“Yes.” I say. Now he goes on a tangent of his days activities; how he gets up, does this, does that, does some more of this, some more of that, some new this, some new that, and so on, into ridiculum(Think Latin). He even mentions when he takes a bath. It was very strange. By this point I am not listening anyway; I am too busy with my homosexual fantasies off to the side(and indeed I was having a J.D. moment).

We part shortly afterwards; he introduces himself as “Mike”, though having spotted him the first day of class, I already knew that. I tell him my name; he will subsequently forget it.

I tell a friend about this day. She thinks something is odd, too. Mass Hysteria, or Perceptive Genius?

Thursday

He is late. I wait until just seconds before the class is supposed to start (though it doesn’t get going until another five) and sit at my usual seat. Julius Waters sits next to me; apparently we are friends. He’s not important in this story, but I mentioned him all the same.

Five mathematical problems later, he enters with his sunglasses on. He is wearing brown; a nice choice, I noted. I wave to him; not in a hyper gay, or creepy stalker like way. I actually manage to gesture inconspicuously. He waves back, “What’s up, bro.” he calls, though we are in a room full of people and he is calling over ten of them. I say hey back, in the same loud inconsiderate way (This shocked me).

I look away, only to see him trying to get my attention. Once again all eyes are on him as he interrupts the laboratories train of thought, “HEY, COME SIT OVER HERE.”

I was thinking to myself, awesome, but I get up casually as if the prospect of sitting next to him is dismal at best. Then he spots the table he normally sits out and says, “NEVERMIND. YOU CAN STAY WHERE YOU ARE. I AM GOING TO SIT OVER HERE WITH THESE FOLKS.”

“Alright…” I say inaudibly as I sit back down. Time passes, and even though I find him attractive, he does not distract me from my work. Occasionally I do look up; I see him talking to one of the subjectively prettier tutors(female). He stares at her like she is candy to his eyes. I decipher this to be a clear sign of his sexuality. I resign myself to just being the gay friend who gets to stare at my delicious friend constantly without taking consequence.

He glances over at me a few times, too; while he is stretching, as if it is a crime to look at your friend without first stretching.

Class ends. Life is good. I stand up; so does Mike. This is where another strange thing happens, though it might seem completely normal to people used to having school friends. He dawdles until just when I am putting my folder away; now he is walking briskly to the folder drop-off. I allow him to get there and then put my folder away; I walk out.

Water take-two. I again drink from my water bottle. He walks out and starts filling up his water. I put my bottle away. He isn’t done yet. I stand there, not knowing what to do: If I take the water bottle back out, I look greedy, and he might tell the nomads in the Sahara about me. If I just stand there, though, I look like I am stalking him. I go with the looking like I am stalking him bit. He nods at me as he walks up and I start to walk, to encourage him to do the same. He does. Great!

I don’t care where we walk at this point. I am just thrilled to be walking with him <insert concerning smile here>. We’re walking to the E-services lab.

Walk. Walk. Walk.

Walk. Walk. Walk.

We’re talking the whole time of course, but I don’t remember any of it. It felt too surreal at this point to have the man that I wanted to hang out with me, actually doing it.

Eventually we get to the E-services lab. Looking back at all I have written so far, it seems I have added a little too much, so here I will try to congest it to just the bits that I found especially interesting.

At the Lab we are talking. He mentions his girlfriend that he believes is insane. He is only with her because, </quote> “She’s really smokin’.”</endquote>

Crazy vs Hot. Crazy vs Hot…AND IT IS CRAZY DOWN FOR THE COUNT. DING DING DING.

Sigh. O.K., he’s subjectively shallow. That isn’t the focus of this story. Moving on…

He shows me explicit photographs of his girlfriend. This is weird - I figure that now would be the best time to mention that I’m gay; to tell him that this isn’t a treat to me at all. I look around at the room. Diametric(Read as a creative curse word)! There are eight people in this room; eight people in a incredibly small room. I can’t tell him now. So, once again I say nothing. I passively look at the photographs, not really caring about smokin’ girl and feeling uncomfortable.

Though he asks me questions about her, and looks at my face - which by now must resemble a Mediterranean zucchini trying to poo - he doesn’t seem to register that I am not enjoying it. That is just ONE of many clues as to my sexuality. Still he seems dumb to the fact.

I ask him, “How does one ask another out? I have never dated.” He smiles, feeling full of knowledge I do not yet possess. He says in a nonchalant way, “Well, you don’t just go up to them like you have been doing. You need to find study groups - girls have been doing this more often - just wait for a girl to go like, ‘hey, want to be in my study group?’ and then you’ve got it made. THAT is a way to get to know her, and slowly make progress to asking her out.”

This actually sounds sane. I had already considered this, but all the same, I appreciated it. Fast forward to when we move to the Academic Computing Lab. We sit away from the lot of people as he puts in his flash drive. Time for homework, apparently.

But we’re still talking. We keep talking even though he needs to write out one-hundred goals for his Life Management class. I help him with a lot, giving him ideas he had never thought of. I say, “Yep, I’m useful…” and he says, “Yes, yes, you are!” in a sincere way.

We talk about weight at some point. I mention the heat and he replies with a somewhat comical, “Well if you weren’t wearing a waffle-knit shirt…who wears a…you need to show some skin a little!”. Meh. I like my long-sleeved cotton shirts, thank-you-very much. Nevermind that they barely fit me after the weight loss I experienced recently.

On to a really weird bit. Somehow we get to the subject of nicknames. I say, “I like giving people nicknames…though I never get away with it.” It is true, though few people know this about me. He says I can call him moon dog. Apparently that is his e-mail address - he even recited what his e-mail address was, and I’ve forgotten it much to my chagrin.

I say, “Alright, moon dog!” and he says, “No, no. Now you’re just being facetious. You need to be (either he said on my back or clawing on my back, either way, both weird) and pulling at my ears. Then you would be doing it right. <insert pleasure noise here>.”

I found that strange and inappropriate. It would have made more sense if he added woman in there somewhere, but he didn’t. He said you. You! So weird.

Anyway, we get on to the subject of food. I like eating fruit and I told him so. Then I mentioned my current financial status…which he said sounded like “poverty”…and he didn’t offer, but stated that he would bring me lunch on Monday. I was like - wow, two days in and already this friend of mine wants to buy me lunch. Is this normal? I couldn’t decide, but it sounded pretty gay to me. Again, perhaps just the fantasy in me.

We’ll talk about that a little later, briefly, but for now I need to quote perhaps the most perplexing bit of all.

“You know, people find me creepy.” I say.
“Well you need to stop being creepy.” He says, playfully.
“I can’t help it, I am not even sure why it is.” I say, though I’ve had a few theories. But then he was insightful,

“It is because you have this soft-spoken voice and…<long pause, big smile>…and people find that creepy. It is like you are looking at people and seeing what they are all about before they even get the chance to tell you. Like you are looking into their soul. Like you know their true self. You just need to stop figuring everyone out before you even become friends, because then it will just be a boring friendship to you. You already know everything they are going to say.”

“Um, wow, I’ve never heard that opinion before…but I am perceptive. I do have these really round eyes, too, which might add to that impression.” I say as an end.

We sit there for a while talking about more random stuff and me forgetting the majority of it as I tried, like he said I would, to figure it all out. My sister would later comment that he was, “Hinting at you…He’s obviously saying that you know his secret.”

Now we are walking out and down and around. He needs to go pee.

“I need to go pee.”
“O.K., then.” I reply.
“Well you need to take care of that.” He says.
“Um, I’m not going to urinate for you.”
“I don’t want you to urinate for me, I just know that you need to pee, too, because I do.”

“Really? That is how it works?”
“Yes, that is how it works.”
“It is just a coincidence.”
“No it isn’t, you need to go, too.”
“I do need to go, too.”
“Good. And I’ll pee on my own.”
“Good, I don’t want to pee for you.”
“I don’t want you to pee for me.”

We walk to the restroom at a different building because he is, “Used to that one”. He tries to get pass this man blocking the way; he says excuse me but the guy doesn’t budge, just keeps talking to his friends. When he does get past him he opens the restroom door and calls back at the man,

“Or not. You know, next time someone asks to get by you maybe you should move instead of making me go through you.”

Admittedly, it was rude of the man to just stand there, but I am vaguely surprised by his reaction.

“Sorry about that,” The man replies sheepishly. Mike enters the restroom and I follow, feeling strangely like a posse to a bully. I knew that couldn’t be true - it must not be true - because he was the one who couldn’t get to the bathroom, not the other man. Satisfied with my rationalisation, I go into a stall. Curiously enough he, too, goes into a stall. A different one of course.

I am used to most men going, “Heh, no big deal…” when they need to pee in a urinal. I always urinate in a stall because I am pee-shy. I guess he is, too?

He decides to start talking to me even though we are both clearly busy with something.

“Man, I am so sick of that happening…”

“Yeah?”

“Yeah, man, like, all arabs are just rude, man…”

“Oh, don’t be prejudice.” I scoff.

“I’m not being prejudice, man, because it is true.”

“No, it isn’t.” I don’t like when people apply one individual’s action to a whole group. Bad move.

“Look, man, the arabs and indians act like they’re better…and if you even try to talk to them they walk away. I don’t like it.”

“Blame the individual, not the entire race.” I insist. We get out of the stalls now. I already pulled my belt - he is still pulling his tight. He looks down at my groin area and away. I don’t know why, I just observed this.

We wash our hands, he checks himself out in the mirror…I do the same, though subtlely…and we continue on our trek.

“So where do you need to go again?” He says. I had told him previously that my piano class was two and a half hours from the time the math class is over with.

“Holt 109.” I tell him. He says he’ll walk me over there and then he has to go. He again starts rambling, and again I go into fantasy land. But this time I am thinking about telling him my sexuality. I knew, I knew, that if I did not tell him then I would be thinking about it constantly over the weekend. I had to fit it in somewhere; but where?

The reason I wanted to tell him was simple. He said he is a devout pentacostal man (though I have my doubts) and believes everything in the bible. If this is true, he may in fact hate what I am. It would be prudent now to tell him my sexuality before we became close friends and he, trying to be a good friend, kept talking about getting me a girlfriend and concocting plans to do so…it would just become a chasm of oblivion if I held it off.

But then he puts his phone to his ear - I knew immediately that this would mean I wouldn’t get to tell him - and starts up a conversation. It is an argument with his girlfriend (the girlfriend he said he was with, the girlfriend he said he wanted to break up with - and then, the girlfriend he said he sort of kind of already broke up with. Yes, he contradicted himself, but that doesn’t mean he was lying; he may have left out some details.). I listen with humour as he talks to her about how she is being rude and he won’t take it, and this is the sort of thing they keep having trouble with, and so on and so on.

It seemed fake. He mentioned how he was talking to “a cool guy he met named Stephen”, who had been hanging out with him(A.K.A., me). Eventually the phone call ends and he goes on about how he is sick of her. We walk past the place I was supposed to go as he talks. Finally he stops.

“Well, it seems we passed your building. I’ll let you go now.”

“Right.”

He shakes my hand. He says something that I don’t listen to, but I reply as if I did:

“-And don’t forget my lunch.” I say.

“I won’t. If you want to eat you need to meet me at the cafeteria at one-o-clock.”(This is truncated.)

“I’ll be there.”

“Alright, bro, have a good weekend.”

“Alright, bro,” I’m mocking him here, “You, too.”

We part. End of needlessly long story.

But Monday ticks closer. What is your opinion of all this? Can you even give an opinion?

Moreover, should I tell him my sexuality when I see him Monday? I was thinking before he buys me lunch…so he doesn’t toss it in my face if the conversation goes awry.

Might be overthinking things a bit, eh?

It is my special ability, though…and I love my special ability!

Dunno, I’d say he’s just a “Hey buddy ol’ pal!”-slap-you-on-the-back loud boisterous person, and at most possibly noticed that you seem a bit shy and like someone who enjoyed being able to sit quietly while someone else babbled on mindlessly, i.e. a nice target to keep about as a flunky/friend.

Overall, I’d certainly say that you’re putting more thought into this than need be if it was real.

Still, I’d probably suggest informing him of your sexuality. Not as a “Are you hitting on me?”-thing, but more a, “Just so you know since you seem to like hanging around with me.” If he is attracted to you in a sexual way it doesn’t sound like he’ll be shy about picking you up once he knows that you’re available. But, I wouldn’t get your hopes up.

Thank you for your advice(and your opinions). I shudder at the thought of being a flunky, however. :slight_smile:

I really just want to understand everything. It is impossible, but I strive for it anyway. Like, how I can’t wrap my head around why he chose to speak to me. Or anyone choosing to speak to someone. Is that a valid question to ask?

“Why did you want to be MY friend?”

And yes, it is real

(Sorry this more extensive reply to Sage Rat is an after-thought.)

People don’t think of it in those terms, generally. In his mind, he’s probably just trying to “Include the shy kid in the social world.” But the truth is that some people do need to be admired, and yet others love to be able to sit around and admire them. The former has a tendency to spot the latter and vice versa. That all goes on subconsciously for the people involved, though other people in school or in the office will often pick up on it and mention how the two are like that.

Now, you might not be someone who “loves to be able to sit around and admire someone” (AKA a flunky to be), but quite possibly he misread your interest as that.

Thank you for clarifying. I am not someone who loves to sit around and admire someone…part of the reason I came to college was to learn to socialise, throw around ideas and get into debates. I don’t agree with people simply because I like them; that isn’t me.

So, in closing, no, I do not see myself as a flunky. I just got worried at one point (as you may have read) that I was becoming one because I just let his sudden outburst pass. In retrospect though I did challenge his reasons behind doing so.

Anyway, I realise I am being silly (and no need to concur, really) and yet know I would not have admitted that to myself had I not got all the words out - used someone as an outlet - so I could sort it all back in my head nice and neat.

I really want to be his friend; I shouldn’t care about his agenda. As long as it doesn’t involve me getting hurt or killed, it shouldn’t be too terrible.

It does feel weird though to speak so easily with someone. I am used to thinking about just exactly what I am going to say; having random conversation with no point (pointless conversations are normally a no-go for me) and subsequently forgetting about them is new and strange to me. I guess I just need to get used to it…

~S.P.I.~

It is my opinion that this guy is probably not gay. It sounds to me like he is being friendly to you and just wants to be friends. When you see “hints” of gayness in his behavior, I think you are engaging in some wishful thinking because you find him attractive (and your friend probably agrees with you because friends often agree with each other).

There are several signs here that he might be the sort of person who will not take it well when you tell him you’re gay. I would suggest trying to get a feeling of how he thinks of gay people by talking about gay people in general terms before you tell him you are gay. Like see if you can find a way to bring up a newspaper story about gay marriage and see how he reacts.

I was prepared for the needless diversions, random comments, and strange people. But the next time you’re gonna quote from A Chorus Line, warn me.

Maybe you should copy and paste the OP into an email and send it to him.

What the helium are you talking about? I was unaware of this A Chorus Line until you made mention of it.

I apologise for the mix-up and am curious to know where the suspected quote is in my tale.

“Walk walk walk” Granted it would have been worse if you’d said “Walk walk walk. Again!”

It was a wee joke. Perhaps, like so many pitches, a bit inside.

All very good points, lavender. Admittedly, I was being wishful about it; I’m over that now. Like I said it helps me to sort my thoughts if I tell someone (Though I don’t necessarily have to, I like to.).

As to the matter of my sexuality vs his morals: Eventually he will find out, so if he is just going to reject me in the end…

Unless you suggest I shy away from him if he reacts poorly to the newspaper article?

I don’t normally believe it necessary to tell people my sexuality, but with how he displays his sexuality and encourages me to do the same; it feels like no matter what I do I’ll have to tell him. I can’t avoid all his questions.

I appreciate your advice and await your reply,

~S.P.I.~

I don’t have his e-mail address. He recited it at one point but I only remembered parts of it. Silly me and daydreaming.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

You’re gay and you’ve never heard of A Chorus Line?

Dude, I’m straight, and I can sing it. Even the girls parts.

:wink:

I would probably try to keep my distance from him if he acts like he has a big problem with gay people. You don’t need to deal with the chance he’ll be unkind or even aggressive about it.

Is there some sort of gay organization on campus? It might be good for you to join if there is so you can find some support and friendship from people that you know will understand.

Yes, there is one…it comes back in fall. I just didn’t want to draw attention from my family members by joining that sort of club. I figured the clubs you join go on your school record. Am I wrong?

Alright. Hypothetically speaking, I choose this path. How do I avoid him in class; how do I refrain from speaking to him after? Eventually he’ll notice something is up, right? Or am I to hope he is dense? Perhaps he won’t care?

I hope I don’t come off as rude. I just don’t swallow people’s advice without examining it and adding and taking away where I see fit. :slight_smile:

~S.P.I.~

First of all, take a deep breath.
Any number of things could be happening, but just take things slowly.
You have made contact, he seems friendly, leave it at that for now.
Get to know him better and listen - really listen to what he is saying between the lines. Eventually you will pick up on what he feels about lots of things.
Could be he knows full well you are Gay and is just curious.
Might be he is totally clueless and just is trying to be friendly.

Give this friendship some time. I am sure at some point you will have an opportunity, one on one, to broach the subject - but seriously, let this evolve and don’t try to rush your fantasy. Many a young Gay guy as woefully regretted rushing into something that later comes back to haunt him in school for years to come. It might seem like you only have a small window of opportunity here - but trust me, if anything is going to happen, in cases like this it is always wise to let the “other side” initiate the conversation/event. They have to feel they can trust you first. And trust usually comes over time.

First of all, I’ve never heard of the clubs you join going on your school record. That doesn’t mean that no one will know you’re a member of the club, of course, but no one will take official notice of it. The only stuff that’s in your record, really, are your transcript, and whether you’ve paid them.

I do agree with other people that he’s likely just outgoing and trying to be friendly. I do think you need to relax a little bit. I felt tense just reading your transcript. :slight_smile: I can’t give you any advice as to whether you should come out to him or not…that depends on how out you are in general and how close you want the relationship to be.