Thousands of Sailors have probably thought about this for a few minutes in Bangkok, but really the presence of an adams apple should entail a few questions.
But other than that, the onus should be on the changeling to ensure that the potential dating pool is aware of ModKit vs OEM factory before progressing.
What on earth is supposed to be non-serious about pointing out that just because a given person is attracted to a given gender, that doesn’t mean they’re attracted to all members of that gender?
Some people think women have a deep, visceral instinct to woo only good providers. Does this mean a man with a poor credit score should disclose this information on the second date?
Some people think men have a deep, visceral instinct to woo only fertile women. Does this mean a woman should disclose her hysterectomy on the first date?
I don’t think a person with “surprise” genitalia should do the disclosure as they are pulling off their clothes. That would be triflin’.
However, I gotta think that most mature people who are interested in taking things to the next level already schedule a “pre-meeting”, wherein awkward topics like medical status and contraception usage (and maybe even feelings about abortion) are laid out on the table before sex is initiated. I don’t really see why genitalia can’t be a part of this conversation since many cis-gendered people already use this as an opportunity to talk about their parts. A woman might bring up her vaginismus, while a guy might talk about his ED. If a couple doesn’t care enough to have a “pre-meeting” like this, then maybe they aren’t mature enough to have sex in the 21st century.
I gotta think most people are capable of overriding their “deep, visceral instincts” if they are looking for a meaningful relationship with a real person. Otherwise there would be fewer couples out there.
Because it’s an incredibly stupid thing to point out?
It’s no more stupid than this –
Yes, you can choose to define “women” as a set that includes both cis-women and trans-women. But that’s an arbitrary choice.
You can also define “women” to mean only cis-women and to exclude trans-women. These are linguistic choices.
Choosing one of these linguistic rubrics isn’t a valid basis for the conclusion that “a straight man should be attracted to transwomen.”
I see no reason whatsoever to believe this - quite the contrary, I think if any member of a couple attempted to override their “deep, visceral instincts”, then they’d end up either breaking up or miserable in weeks.
If everybody was willing to completely abandon their preferences and scruples, I imagine that there wouldn’t be any single people left.
There’s nothing remotely stupid about that quote.
Yes, and if you do, then the set of “people you would be willing to date” should include transwomen. There’s a lot of people who define “women” as including both cis and trans women, but who balk at the idea of dating a trans women. Those are the people that post is referring to.
The people who don’t include trans women in the set of “women” aren’t the subject of the sentence.
What? No. Not even remotely.
Yeah, it does, if the woman says that’s important to her. And the man also has the right to say he doesn’t want anything to do with a woman if that’s her top priority. That’s how this whole dating/relationship thing works.
I disagree, and think that your position is absurd. For it to even have a chance of being true, the set of “people you would be willing to date” would have to include all women. Old ones, young ones, married ones, imprisoned ones, siblings, all of them.
If that is not the case, you can’t cavalierly state that just because I say I like women I have to want to bang any woman I see.
You’re putting words in my mouth to argue a strawman. I didn’t say anything about “everybody” completely abandoning preferences and scruples.
I was putting words in my own mouth. Did you not see the “I imagine that” in the text you quoted?
Your position was that “most people” are capable of overriding their “deep, visceral instincts” if they were looking for a real relationship, with the implication that this is happening all over the place otherwise there would be fewer couples than they are. I think that you don’t really get what the term “deep, visceral instincts” means. It ain’t something shallow, easily discarded, or intentionally adopted.
If you ask my father if he has a deep-seated “instinct” towards skinny blondes, he would say “HELL YES!!”
But did he marry a skinny blonde? Did he father children with a skinny blonde?
No. He married a fat black woman. And he’s been happily married to this fat black woman for over 50 years.
All of this is to say that “deep, visceral instinct” is 99% bullshit and can be thus be overridden if someone has an open enough mind.
So if you claim to be a heterosexual or a homosexual you are a bigot? Anyone who isn’t a bigot should be sufficiently open minded to be willing to enter into a sexual/romantic relationship with any kind of human?
I reiterate, I think that you don’t really get what the term “deep, visceral instincts” means.
This seems to be the direction things are headed in.
Is there a way to phrase things so it’s not about the other person’s genitals, but about the speaker’s preferences?
Perhaps, instead of saying “I will only date ciswomen and post-bottom surgery transwomen but not pre-op transwomen” (which all about someone else’s genitals) it might be better to phrase it as “Looking for women interested in vaginal intercourse.”?
There might even be a better way to express it, if that would be an acceptable way to talk about the preference.
Very sensible.
I would be a bit disappointed if the guy I was interested in getting into bed turned out to be a woman, but it would be easier dealing with it as [as was pointed out] dildos could always be used for penetration. On the other hand, if you wanted a female, and ended up with a surprise penis instead of female genitalia while buttsex on the guy [for a guy not for a female] is possible, but I have actually met a couple guys who were totally disgusted at the idea of screwing even a female in the ass. I suppose that for a female looking for a female, a surprise penis might be a total turn off [well, I have been known to go both ways, so I would just adjust, but many people are totally one way or the other …]
Nope. If anybody in the potential dating pool feels that it’s crucial for them to have that information before progressing, the onus is on them to ask about it.
Some (most) women have OEM-factory genitalia, some (a very small minority of) women have post-OEM modified ones. No woman is under any obligation whatsoever to announce either of those facts to their entire “potential dating pool”.
Who is accusing anybody of being a bigot simply for identifying as heterosexual or homosexual, or any other orientation? For that matter, who is accusing anybody of being a bigot simply for not being attracted to a particuar genital configuration?
I mean, hell yes there is a massive societal breakdown and catastrophic chaos going on in that straw universe of yours, but that bears little relation to what’s happening over here in the real world.
I miss Bloom County.
Nobody said that. The slope you’re standing on sure is slippery.
Since when did you need someone’s permission to have a preference? Do you actually think everyone has to approve of your choices and if they instead judge them unfavorably then you’re somehow being victimized by being denied a choice? 
You realize that there have always been silly people who make harsh moral judgements about things which don’t affect them in the slightest, right? Giving weight to those judgements is something you choose to (or choose not to) do. You seem to be choosing to give weight to them, and complaining about your choice.
If someone said that preferring your soda or beer cold rather than hot makes you a plant, you’d probably just laugh; but of someone else says that if a certain body part is a turn-off for you then you’re an immoral person, why wouldn’t you also laugh at that? It’s the same thing. Letting what people say bother you is a choice. If you make that choice and complain about it, then keep right on drinking your cold soda or beer, you maple tree.