Which she has been doing for decades and, by now, if I am not mistaken, has a decent ability to prevent people’s personalities from incapacitating her.
I’m using the tag team of Multiple Man and Mimic to their full potential which is not at all similar to each JLA member being given a Green Lantern ring. If you want to go that route, we can just have Forge make some sort of hokey deus ex machina technology for each X-Man and we’ll just have one giant clusterfuck and/or stalemate.
According to the source material I’ve read, he absorbs powers, skills, and abilities from everyone in a one mile radius.
She hasn’t, as far as I’m aware, absorbed an insane individual.
Mimic, according to the most recent source (the ongoing Exiles series) can duplicate five powers from the mutants around him. At half-strength. If he’s around a partiular power for a long period of time, he can duplicate it without remaining in proximity to the “donor”.
Rogue has absorbed Wolverine before, correct? He’s “insane” in much the same way Batman is unless I am mistaken.
Isn’t that a Mimic from an alternate reality? And aren’t the characters in it similar but different, like the characters from the Ultimate Universe? If so, it’s not the same and we default back to the original Mimic from the 80’s.
If I’m mistaken, we still have a gaggle of Multiple Man/Mimics running around with five powers (a number of which are so amped that even 0.5 of the power is still practical omnipotence) of their choosing apiece. Even for the JLA, that’s going to be very difficult to contain.
To clarify, the bolded portion is why I think the Madrox/Mimic combination as presented is bogus : it vastly overstates what Calvin would be capable of. Yes, he could duplicate the power - at half strength. Whether this mean his duplicates are sickly with 1/4th strength powers, or he only gets half as many as an upper limit, I couldn’t say.
The combination as presented is “Mimic, with Madrox’s powers!” which is… pardon the pun, only half-right.
You’re kidding, right? Most of Wolverine’s past is a blank… he’s a bit casually homicidal, but he’s relatively sane. And the few instances where she has absorbed him have been somewhat trying, as I recall. Only one comes to mind at the moment.
80’s? Errr… The 60’s, you mean? It is Mimic from an alternate reality, but his powers are supposed to be the same. The other Mimics they’ve run into in their adventures have had the same powerset. They’ve visited the core Marvel Universe. Checking the web - I see a few footnotes that suggest the original might have been able to duplicate skills, but no actual references to him having done so. Since I don’t own X-Men… #19? I can’t verify.
No. Half of Xavier’s telepathy, for instance, makes him a competent telepath. He can’t duplicate the Phoenix Force - and we’re not certain what Jean’s “natural” TK abilities are like, potency-wise … but Half of them isn’t terribly impressive. Half of Storm’s weather control… whee. None of the other X-Men at half-power are even worth mentioning.
He seems rather off-balance to me in much the same way Batman does but I am not an expert by any means.
I’ll defer to your greater knowledge in this respect but still think Rogue would make Batman a bloody smear on the Danger Room wall if for no other reason than while she will be writhing on the floor, he’ll be comatose a few feet away. Lather, rinse, repeat ad nauseum until she gets used to his psychosis and then breaks his neck while he’s passed out from the n[sup]th[/sup] power drain.
80’s, 60’s, whatever… you knew what I meant. I thought he was a later addition to the team and most of my knowledge of him comes from the Marvel Handbook series that was produced in the 80’s (I wish I had kept those… such wonderful books) so I assumed he was relatively recent for that era.
And I see we’re at an impasse on whether to count the original or the current incarnation. I’m obviously leaning towards the original version as he fits my needs more than the current, alternate, one.
I disagree about the potency of Xavier’s telepathy but even assuming you’re right, he’d have half of Superman’s invulnerability, half of Manhunter’s strength, half of Flash’s speed, and other uber-JLA abilities as he won’t be mimicing only the X-Men assuming it’s even the currnet Mimic, which I still won’t give you without further consideration.
Well, now, that’s the interesting thing, isn’t it? Certain characters have been known to remain conscious after feeling Rogue’s touch. Wolverine, among them. Batman’s Willpower is perhaps second only to Green Lantern’s. Unconsciousness is no guarantee, here.
Secondly, Rogue isn’t going to kill the guy. She’s a hero. Thirdly - most importantly - the instant she absorbs his thoughts, she’s going to see through whatever tale was woven to set the two groups against each other.
Fourthly, all this is moot if she can’t touch his exposed skin.
Of course. The problem is that… well, we saw Mimic in an issue. He was a bad guy. He loses his powers at the end. (after Xavier mentally short circuits a machine - I mean… hello? consistency? whatever.) A few issues later, he’s back! And so are his powers! And he joins the X-Men for three issues before… losing his powers again. (I’m gleaning this from a few websites, as these issues are before my time) - he then apparently dies in an issue of the Hulk - only to turn up alive again, later. He then (much later) functions as an ally of Xavier in Xavier’s Brotherhood of Mutants - where it is revealed that, contrary to earlier assertions of the opposite, he is a mutant!
The original Mimic, then, is not a hallmark of self-consistency. But hey, it was the 60’s. The current Mimic - who’s supposed to be the same guy - has well-defined abilities, because, let’s face it, to star in an ongoing series, one needs to be detailed.
So Mimic picks and chooses between the five most potent abilities possessed by the JLA - well, four, plus Madrox’s duplication. And while he’s at this smorgasbord of decision-making, the Flash renders the entire X-Men team unconscious at superspeed.
The way I see that one, Wolverine probably wins the first encounter. But if there’s a second or subsequent encounter, it’s Bats all the way. Wolverine doesn’t really have any ranged offensive capabilities, and although his healing and his adamantium make him tough to take out, he’s not invulnerable. Once Batman learns what he’s up against, a little napalm or the like could go a long way. So I’d say that it depends on whether Wolverine allows Batman to survive the first encounter.
I’d say the deciding factor would be telepathy. Remember, the Professor in Cerebro is able to maintain at least incidental contact with six billion people independently, and pick out mutants from among them. If he can also pick out other metahumans in the same manner, then he’s got the speedsters taken care of before they even know he exists (which is a prerequisite to rushing to the mansion and taking him out before he has a chance). But I’m not familiar enough with Martian Manhunter to know whether he’s capable of a similar feat, nor do I know if either is capable of defending their entire team against a mental assault.
I don’t know about that first encounter - I see Batman putting Wolverine down - starting to leave, when Wolverine gets back up - and then things get really interesting.
Depends on the combat assumptions. I’m a fan of the “appearing spontaneously on an open, featureless plain” - classically used by better Galactic Gamesmasters everywhere. Giving Xavier Cerebro is a huge comp, too. Let’s give Flash the cosmic treadmill so he can pop back and defeat the X-Men before they were assembled, while we’re at it, huh? Actually, he doesn’t really need it these days, now that I think of it.
The problem with the telepathy angle is that as soon as Xavier makes contact, he will realize that these are, in fact, good people, and that is going to remove a lot of possible motivations for the fight.
The slightly-less problem is that Manhunter is pretty good at shielding against psychic assaults; experience tells us that the Defender has an advantage in these sorts of things (all the X-Men, for instance, undergo training to boost their mental resistance, and it actually seems to help). Batman and Green Lantern have enormous wills. Aquaman’s a telepath in his own right. Superman has his Kryptonian psychic training schtick. Wonder Woman would need some extra assistance from J’onn. Plastic Man is immune to telepathic control.
This has nothing to do with anything and I don’t see your point in mentioning it unless you’re just trying to invalidate Mimic in which case, most, if not all, of the characters are going to be in trouble based on their own inconsistencies over the decades. Are you going to tell me that Superman, Batman, Manhunter, and all the other JLA heavy-hitters all have perfectly logical histories with no contradictions? Especially since most of these are a good thirty years older than anyone on the X roster.
Or, he already knows who to mimic and is prepared fairly quickly and is able to counteract Flash. The X roster’s huge… even at full speed, it’ll take a while for Flash to incapacitate all of them.
Again, this is assuming we use the current and not the original which I do not agree with.
No, I’m saying that it’s more reasonable to use the picture of his abilities from Exiles because it’s a more extensive picture, with better detail, basically forming the “weight of evidence”.
What, so each team got handed a dossier? “Here, here are all the people on the other side, their abilities, their weaknesses, their shoe size…”
Because if you really want to set that condition, then I gotta pick Batman, in a landslide. The X-Men haven’t got a snowball’s chance in hell.
And the X-Roster being huge - so we’re going with everyone who was ever on either team, all at once? Again, Justice League Victory guaranteed. Heck, even throw in Phoenix. I’ll counter with Kyle Rayner’s Ion incarnation.
Heck, Wendy, Marvin, Wonder Dog, and Gleek can beat the X-Men!
“Hey Wendy, what’s this button do?”
“Don’t Marvin, it’s the X-Men self destruct button! We don’t want to destroy them, just save the Justice League.”
“OK, I won’t, oops…”
“Rwowr rowr rowrr rowr rwor?”
“Gleek! Gleek!”
“Oh, Marvin, you killed all the X-Men! But at least you freed everyone in the Justice League.”
OK, if Prof. X is such a high and mighty telepath that he can put a serious dent in the JL, then why the heck do the X-Men have so much trouble with their usual array of underpowered dorky villians?
The same reason that Batman doesn’t live in a utopian society despite being able to do anything “if prepared” or that Superman can’t beat some little piss ant human or that the Green Lantern hasn’t eradicated whatever it is he tries to eradicate despite having the best weapon in the galaxy.
You need conflict to sell literature.
I can see that but I still disagree if for no other reason than the X-Men have no chance in hell without my method of attack. Even with a fully powered Mimic, the best we (meaning the Marvel and/or X-Men fanboys) can hope for is a stalemate or ***VERY ***narrow victory.
(Slightly off-topic: I developed this method of attack when my best friend and I used to play DC vs. Marvel in middle school. Our only rules were that there could be no vastly overpowered heroes like mentioned in my recent thread and that the roster had to be limited to twenty people. Everything else went.He absolutely hated me when I discovered the duo of Mimic and Multiple Man. Hehehe.
Ah, the memories.)
I’m not talking a full dossier, just a general snippet giving an overview of each personality and their abilities. A little blurb or something to give everyone an idea of what they’re facing and to formulate some sort of method of attack.
An extensive biography with everyone’s weaknesses, favorite foods, and the name of their pets is too much though. Not to mention that it makes the “Batman, if he’s prepared” scenario too likely and I want to avoid that. It’d be too boring.
And I’d lose, no questions asked.
It was said in the OP that we could use anyone.
I admit I’m grasping at straws here. A JLA win is 99% guaranteed due to their insanely omnipotent characters but the X-Men are what got me into comics and are the only characters I truly care for so I’m not going to just accept defeat. I’ll try my best to find some way to make sure they have at least a fighting chance.
By the way, in text, it’s often difficult to read tone so I may be mistaken in my interpretation of your’s but I just wanted to say that I’m not fighting you over this and am not intending to annoy you as I seem to be doing. You’re the JLA to my X-Men when it comes to comics (but am Superman to your Cipher in Trek. :p) and I am just posting because I love comic discussions in general and X-Men topics in particular.
I’m afraid this works against the X-men more than it works for them.
The JL now know they’re dealing with a number of telepaths. All wear telepathic dampers. Flash gets another set of dampers on Xavier, Jean, Emma, and whatever other telepaths the X-Men are carrying in the first moments of combat. Other major threats (Mimic, Wolverine, Rogue, etc) are taken out by J’onn, Superman, Flash, Dr Fate, or Green Lantern as appopriate.
Again, if we’re including the cartoon, Amazo (AKA, Ivo’s Android) is an associate of the League, and isn’t limited to ‘half power’ like Mimic.
