Pyro can take out the Martian Manhunter, or at least make him cry a little.
He can only control fire though, not create it.
Doesn’t Phoenix (Rachel Sommers, not Jean) have pyrokinesis? She could go after J’onn.
That’s why he carries that flamethrower. I gotta get me one of those.
According to Plastic Man in the story he tells to Woozy Winks’ nephew in JLA #60, St. Nick was made a member when he helped the JLA defeat the Devil, who was corrupting children with a kind of antimatter universe-Santa toy factory that makes kids selfish. The Devil captures the JLA when they travel to the Abyss to do battle, and Santa helps them escape. He also manages to banish the Devil by unselfishly giving him a present and expecting nothing in return. (THE DEVIL: “Socks?! Underwear?! NOOOOOOO!!!”) My favorite moment of the story is when Plas informs the horrified kid that the Devil used his powers to turn the entire JLA into coal:
LITTLE KID: …Even Batman?
PLASTIC MAN: ESPECIALLY Batman!
This issue is also notable for establishing that Santa definitely may or may not posess heat vision.
There’s that, and I think one would find that the X-Men, in the field, generally don’t wheel Charley along with them. And many of their enemies are telepaths themselves (the Shadow King), or have telepathic shielding (Juggernaught, Magneto).
Heh heh. Well, I thought of another point last night that would bear on that tactic - but someone already sorta mentioned it here. Amazo. He has all the powers of the league. And goes down like a chump everytime.
Someone already pointed out the elimination of the X-Men’s psychic advantage with this condition - consider also this : “They have a person who can duplicate powers, and a man who can copy himself. Atom, go render this ‘Mimic’ guy unconscious. Here, take the telepathic damper.”
Nah, I’m not annoyed. I’m just disagreeing. 
The Staff at Wizard, as I’ve said before, are funny guys, but they’re not universally smart. The Silver Surfer is noted as fast because of his travelling interstellar distances. That’s entirely different from reaction speed. Just because you can use the power cosmic to go to Warp 10 doesn’t mean you can crochet a quilt between hummingbird heartbeats.
The GL Corps is faster than the Flash, by this logic, you know. And just as fast as the Surfer.
Okay, then the JLA uses Ion. Kyle Rayner while containing the entire essence of the main power battery of the GL Corps. Among his minor abilities are omnipresence and omniscience.
Gee, I wonder what the top selling title this month was… Identity Crisis?
No one has yet posted one-on-one matchups that account for even the animated series Justice League.
When J’onn Jonzz, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Hawgirl, the Batman and Flash are together, what mix of X-team can counter them, even on a two-to-one basis?
If you expand the JLA roster to include former or reserve members like Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel, Power Girl, Captain Atom, Firestorm, Dr. Fate, and Phantom Stranger, which groups of X-Teams match up. At what point does the Multiple Man / Mimic team self-combust?
DC has always been, for better or worse, vastly overpowered as compared to Marvel.
And we seem to be under an open-ended roster condition - if we add together the X-Men, Excalibur, the New Mutants, X-Force, etc. - they still won’t have a quarter of the membership of the League’s all-time roster.
When you’re comparing the most popular characters of each company, this is true, but Marvel deliberately went for the teen market with original characters (Spider-Man, X-Men) of lesser power. DC tried this sort of thing with Teen Titans, but the characters were mostly just sidekicks/lesser versions of existing characters (Robin, Wonder Girl, Kid Flash, Aqualad, etc).
Marvel surpasses DC when it comes to vastly overpowered secondary characters like Galactus, Eternity, the Celestials, the In-Betweener, the Beyonder, that whole “Cosmic Cube” thing, the Living Tribunal, etc.
Yup. I recall making this point recently in another thread. To borrow a phrase from the JLA/Avengers crossover - in the dCU, the dials go to 11. Fast heroes are faster; Strong heroes are stronger; Shrinking heroes are shrinkier. But over in Marvel, they have more than a few 15s hanging around.
What I like to fondly call the “Jim Starlin Universe” [Off-topic: Has anyone read his non-Marvel comic? Is it any good?].
That’s a true statement. DC has The Spectre, and the Apokilipians / New Gods are more powerful than their original Kirby counterparts, the Eternals.
And Batman beats them all, if he’s prepared 
[of course, we’ve seen Spiderman punch out a herald of Galactus, so why not?]
Well, I’ll clock in as saying that the JLA would probably win, but I think the fight is a bit closer than most of the people here.
As far as telepaths go, the X-men have Jean Grey/Phoenix and Professor Xavier who are uber level telepaths. J’onn is good, but I don’t think he’s that good. I’m not sure on this, but I also think that Jean has smoked a few telepathic dampers when her danders up. Then there are Psylocke, Emma Frost, and Cable. They aren’t in the same league as the first two, but they have some chops in their own right. Also Jean, Psylocke, and Cable have telekinetic powers and Emma now has Diamond skin. Advantage here goes to team X.
Next is the general uber powers. They may not have the class of Supes and the boyz, but they are no shirks here either. Topping this list are Storm, Magneto, and Polaris (who I’ve not seen mentioned here. shame shame). Magneto and Polaris have both stopped the X-Men cold on multiple occasions. There is no reason to think that they couldn’t slow down the League or pull apart ant gadgets constructed. Storm may not have as much raw power at her disposal, but she makes up for it in versatility. Backing up the big three in this category are Havok, the Juggernaut, Bishop, and Forge. They aren’t in the Superman league either, but they can make a fair mess in their own right.
Now we get into the junior category, and I use the term loosely. This consists of Wolverine, Iceman, Rogue, Kitty Pryde, Banshee, Dazzler, Colossus, Gambit, Angel (though for this I would chose dark skinned razor winged archangel), Cannonball, Beast, Nightcrawler, and so on. Icemans powers have taken a big step up now that his body is ice. Wolverine is going to be hard to deal with, even if batman is prepared. Kitty Pryde can take out gizmos left and right. Cannonball and Nightcrawler are just hard to deal with due to the uniqueness of their powers.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the JLA seems to consist of a few ubers and a lot of nigh-useless fluff. The X-Men at least have a stronger base to comp for their lack of heavy heavy hitters.
Of course, geek that I am, I know the one wildcard in this entire mess. His name is Longshot. His powers consist on agility on par with beast, Nightcrawler and the like and good luck, which is essentially a deus ex machina.
Picture this. Batman goes up against Longshot. The luck kicks in and Batman trips. The whole JLA stops in disbelief and WHAMMO! Down go the champs. 
As far as Mimic goes, last I saw his powers consisted of all of the Original X-Mens powers (due to repeated exposure) and whoever else happened to be nearby. This was in an X-Force comic and he lost because he absorbed Thunderbird II powers and couldn’t handle the increased sensory input. As far as power levels go, it was full strength absorption. Just what I know.
Emma, it should be noted, if I recall correctly, can’t use her telepathy in “diamond” mode. J’onn is good enough to actively telepathically coordinate hundreds of persons on a planetary scale without the aid of a big round room. And when his dander’s up, he’s capable of genociding thousands of extremely competent white-Martian telepaths. It should be noted, also, that while J’onn is used to adapting his abilities to human minds, none of the X-Men have encountered a Martian mind. Charley gets some credit here, though, for his time spent in the Shi’ar. J’onn’s also got many more years of experience than any of the X-Men telepaths, with the possibile exception of Cable, since his age is uncertain.
Well, when you’ve had over 200 members in your organization, you do acquire some losers now and then. Seriously, who are we calling fluff? Aquaman? Competent Telepath, super strong and tough, mystical water abilities with his new hand that I don’t know the depths of. (Pun intended) Plastic Man? Indestructible. Immune to Telepathy.
Longshot’s luck is nice, but Luck doesn’t hold out forever. If he’s lucky, he’ll miss the special bus that brings the X-Men to this battle and live out a peaceful life and die of old age.
Harborwolf, while a previous poster poo-pooed my idea, I still claim that the JLA magicians nicely counteract the X psychics. Dr. Fate is DC’s Dr. Strange, and is a match for Professor X. Zatanna and the Phantom Stranger counteract other telepaths. I’m probably forgetting other magicians that have been in the JLA (such as Zatanna’s father?).
Magneto is definitely a problem, but certainly not insurmountable. I don’t think Polaris’ power is near Magneto’s, but I stopped reading X-books long ago, when the interconnected glut and poor writing made me realize that I could get the same entertainment return watching my money go through a shredder. In the end, though, they can’t stop Superman and Green Lantern. Wonder Woman tames Ororo, while Mary Marvel or Power Girl spank Rogue (another possible wrench, as she can absorb powers)
Havok, Bishop, Juggernaut and Forge face off against Firestorm, Captain Atom, Captain Marvel and Guy Gardner. This fight is much more fun than the above.
The real fun comes with the last group: Wolverine, Iceman, Kitty Pryde, Banshee, Dazzler, Colossus, Gambit, Angel, Cannonball, Beast, Nightcrawler, and so on. The JLA goes against this group with Batman, Ice, Fire, Elognated Man, Plastic Man, Green Arrow, Hawkman, Atom, Flash, Booster Gold, Blue Beetle, and all the other members I’ve missed (on both teams) over the years. These are the even, fun matchups. Longshot versus Major Disaster anyone?
I’ll throw some match-ups out to discuss, as this is more fun than doing the project plan staring at me behind this window:
Professor X vs. Dr. Fate
Jean Grey vs. Phantom Straner (Phoenix vs. Ion)
Emma Frost vs. Martian Manhunter
Psylocke vs. Zatanna
Cable vs. ? [Phantom Stranger or Green Lantern (Rayner)]
Magneto vs. Superman
Polaris vs. Green Lantern (Stewart)
Storm vs. Wonder Woman
Havok vs. Firestorm
Bishop vs. Captain Atom
Juggernaut vs. Captain Marvel
Forge vs. Flash
Cyclops vs. Fire
Rogue vs. Mary Marvel
Beast vs. Aquaman
Wolverine vs. Batman (& Robin?)
Collosus vs. Steel
Dazzler vs. Booster Gold
Shadowcat vs. Adam Strange (one of my favorites)
Icemand vs. Ice
Nightcrawler vs. Blue Beetle
Cannonball vs. Red Tornado
Angel vs. Hawkman
Longshot vs. Major Disaster
Gambit vs. Green Arrow
Let’s see some more, fellow Doper comic geeks!
D_Odds : Where did you pull those match-ups from? Very strange.
We might be exceeding the Comics Code Authority here.
I’ve just thought of another reason the X-Men Can’t Win This : Captain Atom.
The two teams appear across from each other, and begin to battle. Captain Atom is nicked with an adamantium claw, or absorbs a few Joules of energy from Storm, or Havok, or whoever. Naturally, he then begins to explode. The Justice League, having just been to a Captain Atom funeral yesterday (at which the Captain, having returned from death, delivered his own eulogy) realizes what’s happening - and Dr. Fate teleports both sides to a safe place to avoid the explosion. Professor Xavier realizes that these teams should be allies, and there’s a big group hug, and Captain Atom reappears from the Quantum Field, sees the X-Men grappling with the JLA, and takes them out with precision atomic blasts.
Tsk, tsk. Such violence.
Can’t they just have a fishnets-wearing contest or something?
Answering that might also exceed the Comics Code Authority 
I just wanted to do the fight as a series of one-on-ones, rather than Superman and Flash move so fast the X’s cannot react.
Down at the low end, I decided to have some fun.
Dazzler vs. Booster Gold:
Booster loses when Dazzler repeatedly turns him down for a date.
Rogue vs. Mary Marvel:
I’m selling PPV tickets to this one!
Gambit vs. Green Arrow:
Spend so much time trash-talking one another, the fight never starts.
Shadowcat vs. Adam Strange:
I just wanted Adam in there somewhere.
Iceman vs. Ice:
Love is in the air. The Frost Maiden isn’t as frosty as thought. End result: Puddle of water. Call it a tie.
Cyclops vs. Fire:
Jean gets jealous and turns the one-on-one into an over-the-top-rope Battle Royale.
Nightcrawler vs. Blue Beetle:
“I’M RETIRED!” They discuss the Circus instead.
Ah, but if we’re picking and choosing our X-Men, top of her game Phoenix is capable of wiping out an entire planet as well. She adequately cancels out J’onn leaving the rest for Professor X. Now I’m reaching way back here so I may be mistaken, but didn’t the Prof coordinate a planet of minds to defeat an alien invasion (this is way way way back before the dark phoenix saga). It took a lot out of him. He also has broadcast over a planet of people without the round room (when the X-men went back to skrull homeworld as Galactus was eating it). He also put the breakers on Phoenix before she went gaga without the aid of Cerebro. Dude can take care of himself. Cable’s power level isn’t quite as strong as those two, but he isn’t far off either. Psylockes power level varies from writer to writer, but she had enough power to slow down the Shadow King. As for Emma, you might be right. I haven’t gotten an issue where she’s had to do both. Hers is a secondary mutation that puzzles me to no end. 
Sorry, last I knew Aquaman talked to fish and had a hook hand. He seemed like Namors slightly retarted cousin. Course, my JLA knowledge is far from good. I likes my heroes angsty. My point was that the JLA has the big guns and a bunch of others whose main purpose seems to be getting knocked around before the big guns show up. It’s like a sidekick convention.
Longshot’s luck does provide an element of unpredictability that even Batman cannot plan for. It’s a power that he has no conscious control over but always seems to put him on top. I just like to add a few wrinkles.
And D_Odds, recently Polaris has shown near Magneto level power. She’s still second place, but not by much.
Just noticed your post Candid, and it fails due to Bishop. He absorbs the energy blasts. Him and Captain Atom will trade blasts for a while until they notice that everyone around them is dead due to radiation poisoning except for Wolverine who has left to get a brew/find his identity/attend the funeral of another loved one/finally get a real hair cut.
One more wrinkle I thought of; didn’t Sabretooth join the X-Men for a little while?
I’d prefer to use people in their typical incarnations. If you insist on bringing in Phoenix, I will insist on bringing in the omnipotent Ion. The X-Men lose. Bigtime. Not even worth discussion. No other Leaguer even needs to show up.
Lessee… Rusty… Skids… Marrow… Forcefield Doctor lady… Jubilee… Dazzler… that Slug guy, Maggot?.. Beak… Oh, yeah. The X-Men don’t have any losers in their lineup at all, no sir. The JLA have more heavyhitters in their all-time roster than the X-Men have had people in their all-time roster : Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, (a dozen) Green Lantern(s), Martian Manhunter, Flash(es), Plastic Man (who is a heavy hitter, really), Captain Atom, Firestorm, Power Girl, The Phantom Stranger, Dr. Fate, Captain Marvel, Major Disaster, Zatanna… etc.
Apparently, the only thing it can’t do is keep him in a decent-selling book, eh? I don’t recall Longshot’s ultimate fate in the traditional Marvel Universe, but didn’t he apparently die with the rest of the Mojoverse? His luck power is not infallible.
You really think Sabretooth would make a worthwhile contribution to the X-Effort? One more corpse for the mass grave of the Uncanny Ex-Living.
Just thought of another heavyweight hitter for the X-Persons. Can’t believe I forgot about Joseph. The ole clone of Magneto with the same power levels but none of the built in “do not crack the planet” mental blocks.