The Academy Award for Best Picture should go to the best film of the year. Who gives a fuck how big the production was or how many people saw it. That’s why either The White Ribbon or Antichrist should have won. Same for Best Director, Michael Haneke deserved it over Bigelow or Cameron.
Get away from her you bitch!
This is basically true, though:
“In the past, Avatar would have won because they loved to hand out awards to big productions, like Ben-Hur. Today it’s fashionable to give the Oscar to a small movie that nobody saw.”
I don’t think she is whining about how tough James Cameron’s life is. Just that the Oscar decision was obviously biased towards a film that wasn’t as good (or to put it better, not as sucky).
The motivations behind that bias are unknown to me, so I can only speculate - perhaps it was ‘lady parts’. Perhaps it was just interest from the (mainly American) voters in a current ongoing conflict. Whatever.
I’ve found that Oscar Awards are a pretty good indicator on how good a movie is likely to be. The more awards the worse the movie. For instance, I had the great misfortune to watch a piece of shit, idiot fucking piss shit movie called Atonement the other day, and true enough, after having wasted that hour and a half, I find that it has won an award. I wish they’d advertise it more clearly, so people can know what to stay the fuck away from. Avatar wasn’t that great, but I’m confident that it is many times better that whatever shitty movie won the award as the best movie. and in any case, Sigourney used to be hot in Alien, so she gets a pass.
Never! That kind of needless hostility makes me laugh. I’m seriously here cracking up. Shit is hilarious.
I got curious so I went back and compared box office returns and academy awards. Here are the movies that were both the top selling movie of the year and the Oscar winner for best picture.
2003: The Return of the King
1997: Titanic
1994: Forrest Gump
1988: Rain Man
1979: Kramer vs. Kramer
1976: Rocky
1972: The Godfather
1965: The Sound of Music
1959: Ben-Hur
1957: The Bridge on the River Kwai
1952: The Greatest Show on Earth
1944: Going My Way
1939: Gone with the Wind
1938: You Can’t Take It With You
1934: It Happened One Night
1929: The Broadway Melody
Of the 82 movies that won the Oscar, only 16 were also the top seller for that year. So it doesn’t seem like an automatic win.
Is Ivn (Ivan?) somebody I should know? I guess he’s a big Avatar fan or something? I saw the movie fairly late so I didn’t follow the earlier threads on it. He seems pretty worked up about it but I was just letting it slide.
You’ll notice one other thing–no Science Fiction films on that list (and LOTR was the first fantasy film to ever win the Big Prize). So Avatar joins Star Wars, E.T., Raiders of the Lost Ark, Jurassic Park, etc. as being a huge blockbuster but only taking home a few “technical”/craft awards. Sigourney’s comparison is dumb-dumb-dumb. I’m willing to bet that if The Ice Storm (a film “nobody saw”) managed to beat Titanic back in 1997, she wouldn’t have been bitching about it.
Hey, it’s the Academy Awards. A gigantic wankfest, wherein accolades are given by actors to themselves as if they had meaning or value. It’s nothing but glitter and advertising.
Ivn is the Pit Cop. He polices the pit threads, telling the OPs he thinks unworthy just how much they suck.
Oh, don’t worry, I’m saving a little something special just for you. Actually, it’s not just for you, because I honestly won’t remember your tag for more than… however long it took me to type that first bit. (And looking up to check, your name pretty much looks like pedophile. I’m saying it in the british fashion - peeeeeed-o-file. Anyway, I’m sure you have a catchy story about how you write children’s books and touch young children every day through your work, but I don’t care about it, so please don’t share your internet-name-origin-story like you’re some kind of masked superhero)
But I can tell by your post that you’re pretty non-creative, think you’re smarter than you are, and base your self-esteem on fitting in with a group of internet nerds.
All I ask is that people step up and be interesting. It’s not that difficult. Two thirds of these threads are like listening to two kids arguing on the school bus: “Butthole!” “I’m rubber and your glue!” “faggot!” “no, ur a faggot!”. And that’s on a good day; when people like you get involved we have to move to the shorter bus and the conversation goes more like “hhrrrnrnnnnrr” “llllllhlhlhlhhlhlgg” tard rage. Except that tard rage is kind of impressive (Where do they get that level of strength? I once saw an enraged tard rip a tire in half, while it was still attached to a semi), where as internet tard rage is pretty much just saying what you normally would with extra profanity:
I fucking dislike the cumguzzling oscar bullshit awards jizz, because they asshole donkey cock don’t make avast ye matey sense.
Except when it’s about the guy who told you that you suck at parking your redneckmobile – that was awesome tard rage. But this isn’t that.
Anyway, put some fucking effort in. You’re just sitting here copying off the kid next to you on the “What I did this summer” essay, thinking the teacher won’t notice that both you and little Bobby got molested by your creepy uncle Ted. Have a little goddamn pride in your work. No one remembers the peanut gallery; those people in the “Dog Pound” might have been barking on TV, but it’s not as if they are revered as television pioneers. They were just some idiots in a studio audience. Don’t be those guys. They probably work in construction or bounty hunting or massage parlors. Though I guess those all take more creativity than your post.
I see what you did there.
Whoa, I agree with you.
Is the room spinning or is it just me?
It could be that Avatar wasn’t that good. I saw it, it was good, but it never seemed to me to be deserving a Best Picture. I have not seen Hurt Locker so I haveno comment on that, but I certainly thought Inglorious Basterds was superior to Acatar.
I mean McDonald’s sells more burgers than anyone but it ahardly makes it the best on the planet.
A more appropriate whine in my book would be the Up won because it is Pixar and folks automatically vote for Pixar even though there were several better animated movies (Fantastic Mr. Fox annd Coraline for example).
Okay. I haven’t run into him before apparently. I was a little surprised on how upset he appeared to get but no big deal. Then other people seemed to recognize him so I thought maybe he was a regular poster in previous Avatar threads or something.
I haven’t even seen it, but I heard it has dicktails.
Anyway, your OP wasn’t even pit material. I was going to report it to be moved back to cafe society, but, you know, scotch and internet porn happened, etc. In the future, please remember that the pit is not for serious discussion of some actress’s moral failings. It is for being a dickhole. An entertaining dickhole. Try some profanity first, then see where it takes you.
You, sir or madam, are the Edna Modeof the Pit (link to 35-second Youtube clip)…you don’t care about the point of view being expressed - but they better express it with style, dahling…;)
Ivan, the use of profanity impressed me back when I was twelve. And stopped impressing me by the time I was sixteen. From this, I’m guessing you’re a high schooler whose mom doesn’t monitor his internet use enough.
Seriously, you should stop acting like a fool before you convince people it’s not an act. Anyone can say fuck. It takes an effort to say something insightful.
But let’s be honest–you did neither (and I agree with you about the pitting). It’s easy to put down profanity, but if you’re going to abstain, then add some sort of life or color. “Um, can I have some yogurt–plain, with an extra helping of bland?”
I don’t think you’re getting this. Did you want to have an insightful discussion about awards for movies, backed up with cites and statistics? You’re in the wrong place for that, son.
But now that you’re breaking out the insults, let me give you a few pro-tips for your apparent first “outing” as it were.
First, the cracks about being a high schooler/living in parents basement/being a virgin at an advanced age? Not funny. Done to death. It screams “inexperience”. First of all, they are almost never true, and second of all, here you are, arguing with said high schooler on the internet, and coming off as less interesting than the kid. Just avoid these insults altogether, or at least cloak them in a bit of patter.
Second, playing up the “mature adult” angle can work for you, but you need to make some major tweaks. When you’re using that technique, you need to concentrate on your verbal venom – you’re the old guy, tapping out your pipe, quirking that one eyebrow juuuuuussssttt right, and performing a perfectly timed pause before delivering the knockout punch, as it were. You have to have the wit, the verve, the sheer killing instinct to pull this off.
Otherwise, you sound more like a middle-aged prude with a stick up his ass trying really hard to not be like those rowdy kids that used to beat him up, talk during movies, and screw the girls he liked who didn’t even realize he had a penis. See where we’re going with this? You don’t want to be the sort of crusty librarian guy wearing the 50 years out-of-fashion suit grumbling about the kids these days. You want to be the the flamboyant homosexual giving the shoulder move, palm out, saying “See you next Tuesday, honey! Oh SNAP!”.
Third, I’m not saying that it’s interesting just to say fuck. I mean, it’s the placement that really fucking matters. But you’re supposed to be outraged, man! Get some anger on! Show us you care about Sigourney’s bullshit! Grrrr! This isn’t the goddamned Age of Sail, you don’t get to demand satisfaction and call her a churl (though admittedly, that might be better than your efforts so far). Profanity is one way to display this passion. Some overuse, true. But claiming you’re “over it”? Nope. Makes you sound like a dweebish bore.
So, in review, you need to work on your posting, but I see the barest glimmer of potential. It will take dedication and time; a whole lotta precious time, to do it. But I’m pulling for you. Make me proud, bitch.