That’s not an “outing”, it’s my opinion.
Interesting that an “uninvolved observer” should happen along, “galt,” don’t you think?
In any event, as I’m sure you are well aware, this thread is littered with the corpses of the arguments I have demolished. twistoffate provides a good example of this.
Regardless, if you look at the more recent postings to this thread, you may figure out that you are not welcome here.
Thus, I request that you please let me Rant in Peace ™.
But have a nice day!
:wally
Okay. I am involved in this thread. And I would like to inform you that you have no debating skills, no reasonable references to back up your claims, and you haven’t “destroyed”, or even partially refuted, anyone’s arguments.
Repeat: You haven’t “destroyed”, or even partially refuted, anyone’s arguments.
:wally:
Did I miss something?
Hey, fatherjohn, if you believe you demolished arguements, so be it.
But help me with this, just one of many poits I’ve made:
:)You claim that SUVs “scream” suburban family vehicle, but how can this be when you also claim that SUVs are for people looking to be macho??
Like the Brady station wagon is macho?
I don’t get it. You say that SUVs are for looking macho, and yet you say they “scream” suburban family vehicle. HELP ME/US UNDERSTAND THIS PART OF YOUR ARGUEMENT.
That is an example of you making a confusing (poor) arguement without anyone helping you. All by yourself you refuted your own point.
Help us poor debators understand this elevated reasoning skill.
If that were true provide quotations of arguments that you’ve “demolished”.
But you can’t provide quotations. Because you haven’t demolished any arguments… except your own.
Fascinating. Could you point out some posts which indicate that I’m not welcome here, “fatherjohn”?
O.K - I hoped that this would go away, but it hasn’t. No problem. Time to take care of this.
fatherjohn. Please, let’s clear something up.
Your problem with SUVs. Is it your position that you feel they are unsafe? You have statistics that prove your case? Then that is a thread for Great Debates.
You feel that they are unsafe to other drivers on the road? It is a question of whether someone has more responsibilty to themselves or to others? That is another (interesting) debate, and I think you would find a more productive discussion in (you guessed it) Great Debates.
You hate SUVs in general? Then that is an opinion. You can’t prove an opinion right, therefore you can’t say you win. SPOOFE, Sauron, Johnny L.A., and other have expressed their dissenting opinions. How can you say they are wrong?
Heck, they even admit that some SUV drivers are inconsiderate, just like some sports car drivers are inconsiderate, or some Minivan drivers are inconsiderate or even some bicyclists are inconsiderate. See, it is not good to generalize. Many would consider that to be intellectually dishonest.
So refresh for us exactly what your problem is with regards to SUVs.
I await your response. Knowing you, it will most likely be some incoherent quasi-insult (likely stolen from Mr. Cynical) or this post will be ignored completely.
Prove me wrong.
Good luck, mske. A valid argument is like a reset button for Ol’ John… every time he’s present with one, he just goes back to “SUV’s suck, 'cuz my little Poseur shit-site says so!” He follows the words of that site more diligently than a Fundie follows the Bible.
I don’t know whether to be honored or offended, mske 
The originals are Rembrandts. The copies are from a Xerox that needs toner…
Have you ever seen/met someone who was trying to appear “x,” but actually looked “y”? For example, somebody who tries to appear stylish, but actually looks ridiculous?
Many (most?) SUV owners are trying to look tough, but don’t cast quite the image they intend.
Id say I look pretty tough, seeing as how I’ve made you my bitch now.
Talk, bitch! Speak up! BEG!
Have you ever considered the possibility that not everyone cares about the “image” they project?
Other possible reasons to buy an SUV:
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They like the extra space.
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They like the comfort.
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They like how they can fit their whole family in the car.
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They like the extra protection offered by a stronger, larger frame.
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They like the extra power under the hood.
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They like pissing off an idiot with a moldy testicle for a brain like fatherjohn.
Given the near-infinite amounts of stupidity that you’ve demonstrated in this thread, I’d say that most SUV owners own the vehicle they do because of reason number 6. Heck, I’m tempted to go out and buy ten Excursions right now for that sole reason.
Just so everyone knows where I stand … I drive a 1993 Mazda 626. My wife drives a 1997 Nissan Pathfinder. Since she’s 5’2" and 100 pounds, I don’t think she’s trying to look particularly tough.
We got her that vehicle for one main reason – she wanted an SUV, and she liked the Pathfinder. She does feel very safe in the vehicle, though. I feel good knowing she’s less likely to be killed while driving.
I’m still trying to figure out if that makes me or her a “macho asshole” or a “poseur.”
FJ Point: SUVs are for those looking to be macho. Point debunked:
FatherJohn, you’d have a case if you didn’t claim that SUVs scream suburban family. In other words, it ain’t no big secret that SUVs are suburban family vehicles. It ain’t a secret to those who buy them and it ain’t a secret to those who don’t. In all fairness, not liking SUVs cannot be based on the theory that people drive them to be macho. It’s common knowledge they are family cruisers.
Moving onto another FJ point, as inferred from his thread title: They are “useless”.
Again, FatherJohn, you elaborated in one of your posts that they are more useful than minivans, but perhaps many don’t need all the SUV uses. So, you debunked your own point again. Anything more useful than a minivan is hardly useless.
Maybe you should abandon this thread, since you botched some of your main points, and go start a thread about SUV safety. This would be where you MIGHT have a shot. I’m not saying SUVs are unsafe, or less safe than cars at all. I’m just saying that the “safety” topic presents an opportunity to get real data to back up opions.
In all fairness, you might be able to find some reasonably objective sites that you can reference. Based on my researched about safety, I’m as safe, or safer in my SUV than I would be in a car. However, I think that there is much room for debate, because many many things make up the definiton of auto “safety”. Additonally, not everyone is presented with the opportunity to drive the safest vehicle. It might turn out that the Merecedes large class is the safest car by a margin between it and the next closest car that is greater than the margin between any two other cars.
Currently, the vehicles on the roads are exponentially safer than any car on the road 20 years ago. Also, if you outlaw the least safest car, the next car above it is now the least safest car. Something will always come in last. Again, I’m not even sure it’s an SUV…actually, I’m pretty certain it’s not. Entry level mid-size cars and compact cars that comprise most of the domestic market aren’t flashing the best in airbag technology, antilock breaks, suspensions, steering, etc etc, so even test data that you can find will be skewed when it tests the vehicle with all the safety options.
Galt, did you not see how well he destroyed my arguements?
He really put me in my place. Now that I realise that anything I say can be simply refuted by a link to a satire site, I have decided to join the church of fatherjohn. I am currently building an altar to him in my cubicle, and am seriously considering taking a soapbox down to the nearest street corner, and preaching the good word. I have printed out the entire poseur site, and am binding it into a leatherbound edition entitled "The Word according to Fatherjohn, v1.0.
I will ritually hold sacrifices of furry dice every Tuesday, and pamphlet any SUV’s I see parked. I am drawing a fatherjohn tract, and will embark on a passenger door to passenger door ministry as soon as I have sold all my worldly goods. If anyone is interested, I am founding an anti-suv army, and rallying for a jihad against SUV drivers.
Stand tall my comrades, and trust the ABS.
I’ve got an SUV, and you’re right. I’m so ashamed I put a For Sale sign in the window and have dusted off my macarena music and pet rock “Sparky”.
Actually, I do hate the thing. What WAS I thinking? My friends like it though. If I sell it they’ll think I did so for my lady, that I’m getting housebroken. Maybe I can rent it to them one at a time until they all hate it too, then sell it without shame.
SCORE!!
Sorry to disapoint you, but I do have a “quasi-insult,” or at least a “quasi-suggestion”:
Try at least reading what has gone before in a thread before you post - you’ll seem a little less the fool.
But have a nice day!
:wally
You see? This is exactly what everyone is talking about, father:wally!
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SPOOFE asked that you provide examples of arguments you “demolished”. You did not answer him, but merely quoted his request.
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TwistofFate informed you (once again) that a satire site is not adequate for providing factual data. Rather than provide a cite from the NHSTA, et al, you provide links to the satire site. Again!!! Is your attention span that short??? “But!” you say, “The NHSTA data is posted on the Poseur site!” That doesn’t wash. That’s like linking to a KKK site to “prove” the inferiority of non-white, non-Protestant races. If a site has an axe to grind, no one is going to believe what’s posted there.
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You then say, “SCORE!!”, as if you had just made some devastating point. But you have made no points. You have presented no arguments. You have no debating abilities. You have no concept of a coherent argument, nor of basic logic. You have nothing!
As to the post you made immediately following the one I just referenced (Can you not incubate an entire thought at one sitting? I’ve noticed you make mulitposts quite frequently.), those four points have already been addressed. You have been shown that they are inaccurate and/or incorrect. Yet do you defend your position? Do you elaborate on these claims? Do you even have the common courtesy to answer direct questions posted by other members of this virtual community? Of course not. You post yet another link to your satire site.
Well, at least you finally learned how to make :wally instead of :putz.
You meatsack.