SMU and free speech..not so much apparently.

From the Associated Press

:dubious:

A few comments.

  1. While I’m not a big fan of many AA programs, I think this particular stunt by the Young Conservatives of Texas was quite juvenile.

  2. This quote by Matt Houston shows a scary ignorance of the history of AA

"Matt Houston, a 19-year-old sophomore, called the group’s price list offensive.

“My reaction was disgust because of the ignorance of some SMU students,” said Houston, who is black. “They were arguing that affirmative action was solely based on race. It’s not based on race. It’s based on bringing a diverse community to a certain organization.”
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  1. Shame on SMU for their censorship of controversial thought.
  1. I agree. They just don’t get it. Stunts like that is why we needed AA (at one time). There are much better, and more accurate, to get the point across.

  2. I agree

  3. SMU didn’t shut it down as censorship. It was escalating to the point where it might have become hostile and SMU was doing it’s duty to protect the peace.

Matt Houston’s quote got a :dubious: from me when I first read the article.

First, SMU is a private school and can restrict speech if they want to.

Second, SMU may be trying to set an example of tolerance in the community. The HP and UP police (the 2 exclusive areas around SMU) have a history of pulling over people solely because they were black.

Third, Hi Opal.

Fourth, I can see where the event would be offensive to somebody who doesn’t grasp the nature of AA like Matt Houston (fake name?)

Fifth, from the Dallas Morning News story:

So SMU will never invite controversial speakers to visit campus…after all, the audience might become hostile?

Was the bake sale a “hostile environment” because other students found it offensive?
Should that then be the litmus test them for shutting down any campus demonstration (on any campus)?

Other than acting like silly frat boys…I don’t see what the YCofT we’re doing to create a “hostile environment”.

Maybe if you were in Dallas as I am, you’d hear the word on the street as well as the plethera of local news agencies pointing out that it looked as if it might go physical.

Well I don’t know about “the word on the street”, but I went to the most local coverage I could find… the SMU Newspaper

It’s not apparent that there was a violent situation imminent…

So NOW, the excuse in play is that “we shut you down because you were charging different prices for your baked goods” :rolleyes:

Although they apparently HINT that the YCoT were being naughty

So because two students were “offended”…that means a potential “situation” was in the making, giving reason to shut it down.

Hmm…

So if some pro choice folks are celebrating the Roe v Wade decision on campus grounds…I can get two “offended” pro life folks and shut it down, right?

Uh huh.

Meh. NOW did the same thing in Madison last year, selling cookies to men for $1 and to women for 75 cents to illustrate the “wage gap.” The Republic managed to endure. SMU over-reacted, but I’ll bet dollars to discounted donuts that the Young Conservatives or whoever will run off to federal court within the week. Which irony will be more delicious than any cookie on the table.

Well so they did…

http://www.winow.org/madison/minutes%20april%201%202002.htm

A “pay equity bake sale”.

But apparently it’s not just at Madison…apparently Feminists are using this groovy technique all over the place

http://www.feministcampus.org/know/training-units/fundraising.asp

Gosh I wonder if SMU would shut them down as well?

Just because people disagree with you about AA does not mean that they do not grasp its nature. It is not the case that you are the default nature grasper.

http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?ID=22913
The Young Republicans at UCLA did the same thing about 9 months ago, also.

That’s SMU for you. Always keeping the white man down.

Am I the only woman who read that article and thought “Wow, 75 cents for cookies? Cool!”

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For everybody who doesn’t get it, this may be the funniest thing ever said on the SDMB.

Lib, methinks you need to re-read the quote in the OP from Mr. Houston.

And I’ll second the nomination of minty’s comment being hi-freakin-larious.

Thanks, but I’ve really got to work up some new material before my Peioria show next week.

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Gosh I wonder if SMU would shut them down as well?

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No, because they are charging women and men the same price.

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Gosh I wonder if SMU would shut them down as well?

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No, because they are charging women and men the same price.

Now, why exactly do youthinks I need to re-read the quote in the OP from Mr. Houston? Did I sound like I hadn’t read it the first time? I’ve now read it four times. Was I wrong? Is Mr. Yax indeed the default nature grasper? Were you (again) presuming to know what I was thinking? Why is this kind of shit the only crap I ever get from you? How did it go — you saw Libertarian and thought to yourself, “Oh, it’s Lib. His post therefore must be stupid, and he likely did not read what he was responding to.”? Because I can’t see why it was necessary to take upon yourself the mission of correcting some strange error that you perceived. I presume in advance that you consider the one impossibility in all this to be that you were wrong and that you leapt before you looked. Why don’t you just get off my back?

When I read the quote in the OP, I thought ‘Hah? They have no right to do that, it’s discrimination!’

Even if it’s discrimination by gender, that’s still discrimination.

I need a cool sig. Can I use this? :smiley: