Yeah…but it’s a bit difficult to get a blowjob in an elevator.
You ask the other person:“Going down?”
That’s hilarious. 
It is speculation but absurd and unfounded? I don’t think so.
As a lawyer you do not see the clear appearance of impropriety here?
The link takes me to the story, but the story is displayed in some sort of X-able window. If you click the X reflexively (as I sometimes do) the story disappears and you get the USA Today News Home-page.
… Perhaps some automatic pop-up blockers will “X” the window-with-the-story away as a courtesy before you even see it. :eek:
Oh sure it is.
Is Bill Clinton dumb enough to let his reflexive gladhandling not get constrained by an awareness of optics? Apparently so.
Dumb enough that if he actually was engaged in some secret behind the scenes discussions and influencing that he wouldn’t do it, well, in secret and behind the scenes? No.
WJ Clinton is a very charismatic highly intelligent excellent communicator and seller of ideas. And he is a doofus goofball in many ways. Impulse control has never been his strongest suit is all I am sayin’ … HR Clinton OTOH is likely even more intelligent and is all about the impulse control, but has none of his charisma and communications gifts. I think there’s some ying-yang there.
Well, it seems only die hard Clinton apologists think this is much ado about nothing. I am hard pressed to find any member of congress (on either side) who are defending this.
Even assuming, for the sake of argument, that they only talked about their grandkids there is pretty much universal (except here) agreement that the “optics” of this look really bad. And the optics look bad precisely because the opportunity here for improper discussions about a serious legal matter that affects the whole country are in play.
This is not about a parking ticket. They are both lawyers and very smart people. They were almost certainly fully aware of all of these issues yet somehow thought a friendly chit-chat about their families was a good idea.
So Bricker is a die hard Clinton apologist? I didn’t know that.
Yes, its bad optics but hardly a reason to throw the FBI off the case and assign a special prosecutor. The FBI guys will undoubtedly do a very thorough all t’s crossed report.
But in the meantime, it’s off to the fainting couches!
How many more months of this shit do we have? A hundred or so?
You have to consider why the optics are bad.
Federal judges have an ethical mandate to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. I do not know if this mandate extends to attorneys I am willing to bet Bricker and Clinton and Lynch are fully aware of it and understand its importance.
Only Bricker can tell us why he thinks this meeting between Lynch and Clinton should be hand-waved away.
As for the FBI I agree they will do a thorough job. But this issue has nothing to do with that. Lynch can completely ignore the FBI recommendation or pursue a lesser charge than the FBI recommends (as Eric Holder did with General Petraeus as an example).
So yeah, that’s why the optics are bad here.
I thought that during her confirmation hearings she specifically said she wouldn’t do the same as Holder and she’s basically said the same in response to this brouhaha. I think any real outrage should be saved for when/if she reneges on that.
If only we could hold our political figures to the promises they made… :rolleyes:
And the only reason she made the concession over this brouhaha is because she stepped into this brouhaha (of her own accord and when she should have known better).
Some are suggesting Lynch is already walking this back:
4 months to the election an then 8 years of the Clinton presidency so, yes, 100 months exactly.
I’m seeing a lot of die-hard Clinton apologists (including me in a post in this very thread, quoted below) who are NOT saying this is much ado about nothing.
There are TWO issues, here:
- Did Bill Clinton, by entering Lynch’s plane or during that visit, commit an act that compromises the Justice investigation?
and
- Did Bill Clinton, by entering Lynch’s plane, commit an act of stupidity by giving the right endless fodder for idiotic speculation?
Many die-hard Clinton supporters are answering “no” to 1 and a resounding “yes” to 2.
The problem is there is no way to assess question #1.
We do not know what they talked about on the plane. Therein lies the problem. That is why everyone answers “yes” to #2. It might have been about grandkids, it might have been about the FBI investigation and that speculation is a real problem.
It is understandable for people to be dubious that Clinton and Lynch both happened to be at the same place at the same time with their planes. That Clinton just happened to delay his departure in order to wait for Lynch so he could just catch up and talk about grandkids.
Either its…
Why yes, I’ve said hi to former co workers that I’ve seen in a mall or on a trip & yes I have spent 30 minutes chatting with them.
(If Drumpf can’t talk about his grand kids for more than 8 seconds, that seems more like a “Me!Me!Me! Its all about Me! I’m bored with the grand kids talk, what about Me?” problem.)
Or its…
“I blame that Mexican Judge from Ohio…” because that’s not a scandal but passing in an airport is.
Yes, I agree, and that’s why I adhere to the theory that though Bill consciously wants his wife to become President, he’s working very hard on an unconscious level to make sure that doesn’t happen.
As many have noted, there are plenty of unobtrusive ways in which Bill and/or Hillary could have attempted to bribe Lynch or threaten Lynch or whatever the conspiracy theory concerning Lynch may entail. If they genuinely wanted to bribe or threaten her, they could have done so with no one else the wiser.
The right is making a mistake by harping on the theme that Something Untoward MUST Have Happened!!!1!!! … because doing so makes the right look deficient in common sense. Clearly it makes no sense for Bill to have made a public show of Corrupting Loretta, OMG! If he (and/or Hillary) wanted to make an attempt to Corrupt Loretta, this would not have been a reasonable way to do it.
So this is something else. The airplane visit was something else.
My bet on what that something else might be: on the conscious level it was Bill thinking he was doing what he always does, what master politicians always do–press the flesh, keep up that networking, keep the lines of communication open, etc. etc. And his unconscious mind simply prevented him from seeing the harm he was doing to his wife’s prospects…because he couldn’t let himself realize that.
I’m not so sure.
A talk on a plane on a remote and private tarmac at a major airport seems great cover to me. The story is there was a leak somewhere that tipped off local media. If not for that this would have been a meeting no one knew about. Text messages, IMs, phone calls and so on all leave records. If I was looking to have a private communication, particularly a private face-to-face communication, the airport thing seems an excellent choice.
Consider all the times you have been in an airport. Do you think you’d spot Bill Clinton walking to Loretta Lynch’s plane?
I entered this thread as the second response commenting on how stupid it was of WJ Clinton to not think of the optics before being sociable. Not quite being a die-hard apologist to call him pathologic in that post I don’t think. And it is much ado about nothing.
Apparently you have not read the news lately and seen the fuss…a fuss shared by both sides of the aisle.
Since we cannot know what was said on the plane it leaves the door wide open to speculation. And while it may be speculation it is legitimate speculation (at least as to the purpose of the discussion).
They are both savvy political players so it is exceptionally unlikely they had what looks to be an attempt at a covert meeting in order to catch-up about their families but maybe they did and it is all a colossal brain fart. Even if so why didn’t their staff point out the problem?