Snowmageddon 2014

Couple of things, Laggard:

  1. Schools began making announcements that they were closing; many schools also cancelled their bus runs and informed parents they had to pick up their children.

  2. Businesses began closing and encouraging employees to go home.

The problem was, by the time both of these actions were taken, many roads were already becoming impassable.

I can’t emphasize strongly enough that we have a small amount of equipment to handle icy roads. Typically, when ice is a problem, it’s relatively localized; it’s rare that the entire metro area is covered in ice and snow. And it almost NEVER happens without advance warning.

Another complicating factor is the geography around here. I seriously doubt you’ll find a quarter-mile stretch of any road that is completely flat and straight. So when ice does form, it’s a significant travel problem.

Plus, as Southerners, we just don’t drive in this stuff very often. Not that it would have made much of a difference Tuesday anyway - I have a coworker who’s from Wisconsin, and she said she had rarely seen roads as icy as they were here.

So you are out of bread and milk? :slight_smile:

This is the other thing that we in the upper Midwest don’t get. I can run out of bread and milk and still manage to feed my family for a month of being snowed in off canned goods, rice and pasta. Well, maybe not a month. Well, probably a month, but after two weeks it would get kind of gross as we clear out the back of the freezer and vegetables that taste like aluminum can.

They won’t be malnourished if they don’t get milk or bread or eggs for three days and if we are eating slightly freezerburned hamburger in a jar of Ragu over a box of Spaghetti on day three.

I don’t get it either. The whole “stock up on bread and milk” thing has never made sense to me.

It happens every time there’s even the slightest chance of snow in Alabama. I don’t understand it either.

I think “bread and milk” is a euphemism for “wine and chocolate.”

There were multiple factors at play, at least in Atlanta:

  1. The initial forecasts for the Atlanta area were pretty benign. Some schools and businesses south of town, which initial forecasts indicated would be worst hit, pre-emptively closed. Road prep equipment was staged south of the city. We have limited equipment, since this doesn’t happen often, and DOT needs to move close to the area of anticipated need to be effective.
  2. Closer to the fact ( about 8 hours before the storm hit) the forecast changed to say the storm would track further north and would include Atlanta and suburbs, but somehow wasn’t taken very seriously, possibly because most of the time the forecasts are overstated. Probably half the time snow is predicted here, very little to nothing happens.
  3. The snow started after schools, gov’t offices and businesses opened so pretty much everyone was already at work.
  4. Schools, gov’t and businesses decided to close early - basically all at the same time. This dumped literally millions of people on the roads at pretty much the same time, as opposed to a normal evening rush spread over 4 hours or so.
  5. The snow/ice accumulated more quickly than anticipated, making the roads slick very quickly. Accidents started happening, multiplied by the sheer number of vehicles in close proximity. The reports I have heard indictated that tractor trailers were to blame for the majority of the initial accidents, which in turn caused other accidents and/or slowed traffic enough that people got stuck in the ice/snow. Now the sand/salt trucks we do have can’t get where they need to go because the interstates and feeder roads are literal parking lots. School buses can’t get through, causing schools to say “Come get your kids or we’ll have to keep them here overnight”. This put even more traffic on the roads.

So, really, the ultimate worst case scenario - jaded reaction to forecast changes, limited equipment in the wrong place, worst possible time of day, icing (not just snow) an the roads, everyone leaving work at once, poor driving, etc.

Can’t really fault the powers-that-be too much. If you close down pre-emptively and nothing happens weather wise, you look like a fool (and adversely impact the economy hugely). If you don’t and worse case comes true, you get this. Gov’t, school and business leaders gambled. Most of the time they win. This time it came up craps.

I’ve always heard it as milk, bread, eggs and beer. I don’t know why either. If I ran out of bread and really needed some (and the electricity is on - unlikely in a bad ice storm, to be fair), I can make some in about 3 hours. And if I’m stuck at home, I might as well. I’m sure there’s some reason for it way back in our collective memory, but who knows where it started.

Well, that clears it up…:slight_smile:

BTW, my facebook feed had this link on it to an article from Politico http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/atlanta-snow-storm-102839.html#.UusPwvtZT1R

This author blames a decentralized regional government (there are 60 mayors in the Atlanta area - obviously, Atlanta proper has ONE, but most people don’t LIVE in Atlanta proper) and poor investment in infrastructure that hasn’t kept up to the population boom (not enough freeways to move people when the weather is good, and little coordinated investment in public transportation).

I"ve heard we may get 12-36" of snow next week starting tuesday. We will see what happens.

Maybe panic wasn’t the major factor in this case, but widespread driver panic certainly can be an exacerbating factor.

In Washington, DC (“The Northernmost Southern City”), which does get serious snow occasionally,* I’ve seen it a few times. Of course Washington traffic is also uniquely made worse by all the gigantic egos colliding.

Notable among those incidents was January 13, 1982, famously “the night the airplane fell on the 14th Street bridge.” It took us six hours to get about 20 miles home, and I saw people flat-out panicking. We’d tell drivers that a bunch of us guys were going to push them over an icy patch, and PLEASE don’t gun your engine and throw road salt and ice into our crotches…they’d nod, white-faced, as if they understood, and then gun that engine like a fighter pilot and throw road salt and ice into our crotches. I saw cars waiting to enter the road – a solid line of stopped cars ni front of them – gun their engines and spin their wheels, searching for traction that, if they got it, would instantly drive them straight into the broad side of the line of stopped cars a yard in front of them. Once when we were stopped – hundreds of cars in both directions – I walked forward to find nine strapping men and a Navy officer looking forlornly at one car that stuck out from the shoulder too far to get around. Although I was a kid, I had to be the one to organize them to push it a few feet onto the shoulder and so all that traffic could be moving again.

The snow that day was 4-8 inches. Yes, it came down fast; yes, it was unusually cold.

[QUOTE=Washington Post]
Light snow started falling in Washington during the early morning hours of January 13 as a fast-moving and moisture-laden storm approached from the south. By noon, moderate-to-heavy snow had spread over the entire area, and by early afternoon the snowfall rate was quite heavy.

There was a one-hour period during the early afternoon on January 13 during which the snow dropped visibility at National Airport to a sixteenth of a mile. Approximately 2-to-3 inches of snow fell during that hour. The snow ended abruptly in the mid-afternoon.

Prior to the storm, an extremely cold Arctic outbreak had spread across the eastern half of the United States, dropping temperatures to -25°F in Chicago and near 0°F in Atlanta. There was also a major freeze in the central Florida citrus groves. At National Airport, the mercury dropped to 2°F.
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from here

Bad conditions with little warning. But driver panic, selfishness, and dumbassery hugely multiplied the problems.
*A couple of years ago we got 29 inches one day – and 9 more the next day in a separate fall.

I drive on snow and ice 6 months out of the year. literally using 4 wheel drive every day for 1/2 the year. In my experience, the colder the temp, the better the traction. When you are right near freezing, you can get a sheen of water on the ice. That spells trouble.

That’s what I was going to say. Under 0 degrees ice is pretty sticky really, unless it is a busy road and the tire friction heat keeps a water layer layer on it. 20-30 is where it gets dangerous and unpredictable. You can have hard ice and water covered ice depending on sun angle and shade intermittently.

20 isn’t too bad - that’s what we run around most of the Winter.

But yes. I have a fourteen year old and a fifteen year old, so there is a winter driving patter I keep up when my kids are in the car with me right now…ok, there is an overpass ahead, what is the road likely to be like under the bridge at this temperature?.. ok, I’m going to switch lanes now, as long as I’m in the tire tracks I’m fine, but its easy to lose traction during this, so I want to slow down, make sure I have lots of room, and keep both hands on the wheel. This corner is always really slippery and its tight - do NOT take it fast and even if the road hasn’t been slippery anywhere else, this corner might be.

My kids know that under and over overpasses are dangerous - because the conditions in those two places are different than the roads they attach to. That driving on concrete is different than asphalt. That in stop and go traffic, exhaust can hit the road and freeze, so you always want to go slowly forward - even if the car in front of you suddenly created a big gap for you to fill. That you can be fine on a freeway, but the exit ramp can be really slippery.

But we spend four months driving in it, so they’ve gotten a lot of patter (we started Winter Driving Commentary when they were young). You aren’t going to get that with an inch of snow or two maybe once or twice a year.

One to two inches twice a year would probably be a very snowy winter for Atlanta. In a list of their top 10 biggest snowfalls, there are two events that were under 4". They have an average annual snowfall of 2". If it’s anything like it is here in Raleigh, they may have years that they don’t get anything or maybe a very slight dusting.

I know, that was what the “maybe” was about.

I grew up in Louisville, which I would think is snowier than Atlanta - but it sure isn’t more than an inch or two very often, and its only that inch or two once or twice a year.

So it’s happening again. Atlanta received half an inch of ice overnight and the weather continues to be bad. The city was prepared this time. Everything’s closed and roads are basically deserted. A webcam looking at the highway I take to work had precisely one car on it. Normally it’s heavy or bumper to bumper traffic in the morning.

Just north of Baltimore, here.

The forecast has been relatively steady in predicting 8-12 inches over the next two days. The fallen limbs in my yard from last week’s ice is actually being cleared right now, so I’ll probably have to call them again on Friday.

My wife’s birthday is Thursday- but since everything’s going to be shut down, I had to reschedule everything for today.

I’m in southerm Maryland, on the west side of Chesapeake Bay. We are supposed to get 4-6 inches of snow tonight and early tomorrow, before it turns to rain. 'Twill be messy as heck tomorrow, but I hope the rain washes it all away by the time it’s over.

I am so ready for tornado season.

Raleigh’s supposed to get 2-4 inches of snow, then 1/2" of ice on top of that. We’re expecting power outages and trees down, which is what worries me the most. We have some massive trees in our yard, including a pine that’s probably 50-60 feet tall. We just got an estimate to get it taken down - oh, well. My office is closed at noon and I don’t expect we’ll be back until Friday at the earliest.