That’s not the same as Islamophobia. I think they can be brainwashed into it, it’s certainly possible.
Yes, as a plethora of posters on the dope are evidence of, of course you don’t dismiss their hate of Christianity you commiserate with it. You don’t call them brainwashed atheists, you call them liberated free-thinkers.
Ok, fair enough. But just because they hate Islam doesn’t mean that this girl doesn’t have real reasons to fear her Father. You’re assuming that she hates Islam because she joined this church. Maybe she joined this church because she hates Islam.
Fair enough. But why would she join that church?
Or it could explain why you bash Christians on this forum pretty much any chance you get.
Looks like Islamophobia isn’t the only religion phobia going around. Diogenes is oh so sensitive to any hint of ‘Islamophobia’ wherever it might pop up, but every time he mentions Christians it seems that he’s convinced they’re all wackadoodle cultists who brainwash and molest children.
If the Bible said that converters to Wicca should be stoned to death, and there were 5,000 such stonings a year around the world, and there had been a wicca-related stoning of two girls in Dallas* last year, then if a young girl who had converted to Wicca told me that her crazy Christian parents were trying to kill her, then I’m afraid I’d have to take the threat seriously. Wouldn’t you?
According to a link above, two girls in Dallas were murdered by their father in an honor killing last year because they dated non-Muslim boys.
Well then…cite…prove that joining cults is common.
I am not the one deciding one way or another, you are. You used your Brother as your example, but he didn’t make an accusation against your parents, so he’s a really poor example. Your Brother joined a cult, so what?
My evidence to the contrary is that the kid has not claimed any of the abuse you are alleging, as you irrelevantly parallel her situation to your own. You are clearly just making things up. If the kid was being abused, she surely would have said so by now.
Really? Because I won’t allow you to tell me how to think because of your pre-conceived ideas of what a teacher should think, therefore I am JUST LIKE a cop who said it’s OK to beat your kids. Do you listen to yourself? There is no reason for you to make ad hominem attacks like this, and I really wish you wouldn’t start down this road again with me. I disagree with you. This does not mean I condone child abuse. Worst debating tactic EVER.
Did you miss or ignore where I said I was sure her claims would be investigated? And you accuse ME of straw men.
As did I, which you chose to ignore in your rush to paint me as someone who condones child abuse for the crime of disagreeing with you.
HAHAHAHAHAA! You’re funny, for a pot calling a kettle black.
Just as you’ve made some pretty big assumptions about her parents, stuff not even based on what the kid said, when she has every reason to pull out all the stops in slagging off on her parents. My feelings about the Christians in Florida are based on what they are quoted as saying, and the fact that they lured a minor away from home, which is illegal. Thus, my POV has more basis than yours.
You have formed an opinion, largely based on fabrication and your own personal (but irrelevant) experience. Thus, you have as much chance being wrong as I do. What you ARE wrong about is that I condone child abuse, and you ought to retract that inane personal attack.
Did you read the Fox link? That’s what the law says. She’s a minor taken away from her parents without permission. She’s already in Florida state protective custody awaiting an expected court order that she be returned to Ohio. What alternative would you suggest? She’s a runaway. What are you suggesting should be done withher?
You want a list of cults? How many people do I have to show belong to cults before you would agree that it’s a “common” phenomenon?
I use my brother as an example of someone who joined a cult without coming from any particularly troubled family situation. His wife, who is also in the cult, came from a healthy family as well. The one time I met them, they were as baffled as we were as to why she would be attracted to this cult. That cuts against your assertion that anyone who joins a cult must be running away from muderous parents.
She and I have something in common. I’m not alleging any abuse either. Try reading what I actually wrote and stop making shit up.
The point being you have made up your mind in one direction and are just assuming that the girl is a lying vindictive little shit. That’s a rather common reaction abused children get.
Well good then.
I am not saying you condone child abuse, I am saying you are dismissive of it. Like yeah, yeah kid whatever, listen to your Mother.
We’re just two peas in a pod then aren’t we?
I have not made one single assumption about her parents.
I don’t think there’s anything far fetched about it. I was wondering if this specific girl had anything to fear, or if the “cult-y,” as the Turnip puts it, Floridians have this poor child whipped up into hysteria over what they think the evil Muslims will do to her. I had previously only heard this story in a very abbreviated context and wanted to know if there was something to it other than a girl being frightened over what she thinks might happen, with little evidence that it actually will. But I agree, they should let the girl hang out in Florida, go to the beach while an investigation is conducted, then send her home. I’m assuming her parents’ story will check out, and her Muslim parents who let her cheerlead and have never abused her will welcome her home, and no one will be killed.
Yes, dear, but then I said this regarding her statement of death threats:
Well she’s 17 years old, I think she should be able to leave her parents custody if she wants to first of all.
At least 5% of the population.
Do you even have a short term memory at all? You made a claim that your parents were not a threat to your Brother’s life, and I asked you if he ever claimed that they were and your answer was no. Please even if you can’t remember what I write, try to remember what YOU write.
So lets see what the applicability of your story is.
Did your Brother run away from home as a teenager to join this cult?
Did he claim that it was because of something that your parents did?
If so, what does your Brother’s experience have in common with this situation other than there is a religious community involved in both instances?
Some cults like to grow vegetables and fuck one another. Other cults like to prepare for the apocalypse, while still others like to blow up toilets in the Pentagon, while others like to murder actresses or kidnap billionaire heiresses. There’s a pretty big spread here in what the word ‘cult’ means. Generally if people are joining a cult it’s because something is missing in their lives. It might just be that they want to live closely with a tight-knit community, believe me I can relate, and that’s the pretty common reason when people are adults. When they run away as children and claim their parents will kill them, well that’s a different kettle of fish entirely.
What you have in common is teenage rebellion. Beyond that, it’s all conjecture and fabrication on your part. We don’t know what her father actually said to her, or if he abused her. He might have, but he very much might not have. As a minor, she does not have the legal right to flee the state as a way of dealing with it, and the Christians in Florida did not have the legal right to harbor her. If she was really in danger, they had a moral obligation to inform the authorities, not take her into their own hands.
I have not made up my mind. More fabrication and straw man bullshit from you. I think there is a great potential for this to be a case of her overreacting and creating drama. It will be investigated (as it seems it currently is, as she is being returned to her parents by the authorities). I find it likely that her parents will be found not to be murderous, abusive wackos, though I have admitted there is a chance I might be wrong. How is it now that I’m the one being unreasonable and making assumptions and you aren’t?
How can I be dismissive of it if there has been NO EVIDENCE offered of it? Please, do post evidence that she was abused, so I can NOT dismiss it for you. She claims that her father threatened her because she converted to Christianity. She has not claimed child abuse. Thus, what I am dismissing is YOUR claims of child abuse, not the kid’s. Big fucking difference.
Hardly, as I have not made any personal attacks on you or accused you of condoning or dismissing something as serious as child abuse.
By calling her situation “child abuse,” when no one else, including the kid, has, you are making assumptions.
You would think that if her parents were devout enough to commit an honor killing, they would have been devout enough to have had problems with her being a cheerleader. She seems pretty westernized to me. While I am in no position to judge the case, I am skeptical…
Cults happen, and what is more, they are more common here in America than are honor killings. While it is definitely possible that her life is in danger from her family, I think it is more likely that she is being used as a pawn and has fallen in with a cult. Can anybody put together some numbers on how many teenage girls in the US?
This is bullshit. I ask you to either back this up or retract it.
The Bible DOES say that.
Wow. You found one example of an honor killing in all of North America. That proves all Muslims are psychopathic child killers. How many examples do you think I can find for Christians in the US killing doctors, blowing up abortion clinics, killing gay people, beating up their kids for being gay, etc. Does that prove that all Christians should automatically be considered as very likely to do any of those things?
There is no evidence that this girl’s parents have thretaned to kill her. Even her own statements have been very ambiguous, highly suppositional and extropolative (She claims her dad said “you’re dead to me,” and she took that as a death threat), and her claims have been made while under the heavy control of an Islamophobic cult that thinks that it’s at “war” with Islam.
This kid will go back to Ohio. The parents and household will be investigated. the kid will be returned to their custody, and that will be the end of it.
How about this – I’ll bet you a hundred US dollars that these parents WON’T kill their daughter. Want to take it?
Examples of four women killed in three honor killings in little over a year.
Yes I know the example is from FrontPageMag, I don’t give a fuck, if you don’t think it’s true prove it’s a fabrication don’t go all ad hominem on it.