So do you like enterprise?

Yeah, the show isn’t so bad although a lot of the characters seem kind of dull. The Weapons Officer (Malcolm was it?) doesn’t seem to do much other than fidget around the bridge when a new alien shows up. Also, I’m still waiting to see Hoshi Sato and T’Pol both get infected with a space fungus and require to apply analgesic (sp?) cream on each other… dammit.

Anyway, the good thing about this show is that they haven’t said the words “Prime Directive” yet, and don’t solve everything using some sort of pulse through their deflector dish.

Actually every time someone brings it up the mods lock down the thread and tell everyone to knock it off.

That said, as to the OP… give it more than a season. ALL of the previous series had a horribly embarrassing first season.

And THAT said… I like it. I watch it every week :slight_smile:

:eek:

Vulcans do not have pierced navels!

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Esprix

Being a woman, I guess I’m more sensitive to the obvious pandering - an unemotional, logical Vulcan (from a race that suppresses ALL passions) obviously made up and costumed to be sexy. But I could live with it if they did more with the character…all them (except maybe Trip and the doc) need to be developed. She was okay when she was dealing with her betrothal and confided in Trip. Hoshi has, what, maybe two or three lines and does nothing but sit at her console. I’ve no problem with a little eye candy - I drooled over Archer in his underwear and in the shower – but that’s not going to keep me watching. Berman and Brannon aren’t new at this – why does it take so long to get the bugs out and make something of the characters?

I think they are trying to attract viewers other than Star Trek fans. For example, there is no “Star Trek” in the title.
The theme is popular music.

I suppose we have to put up with the sex junk, it seems to be a winner for those 14-whatever males in the audience, but I wish they would at least clean up their physics. That comet stuff really sucked.

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Yeah! And her lips should be green, not pink. Vulcans have green (copper-based) blood, you know.

I give the show, so far, a B-.

By comparison, the first season of TNG gets a C-, the first season of DS9 gets a C+, and the first season of VOY gets a D. In other words, it’s better than expected, but it’s still nothing to drool about, like “24.” (You are watching “24,” right?)

My problems are as described by others: I don’t like T’Pol (I think Blalock is confused about her performance), some of the supporting characters aren’t being developed very well, and many of the scripts fall back too often on cliche. One of these is how frequently they’re resorting to the transporter as a problem-solving device; it should be much more unstable and dangerous to use.

I also hate, hate, the “temporal cold war” thing, even though it was handled reasonably well in the recent episode “Cold Front,” mostly because it was left ambiguous and unresolved. Time travel is a crutch in mediocre sci-fi, a fallback when you don’t have any better ideas. And when you don’t have a really, really good idea about how to resolve the various paradoxical aspects, it almost invariably winds up being forced and awkward. If I were the head writer on “Enterprise,” I’d make it so this mysterious “Future Guy” who’s directing the Suliban turns out to be some kind of renegade Vulcan in the same time frame who’s lying to the Suliban about being from the future in order to get them to do something important right now. I think that would be a killer twist, because it could drive an exploration of Vulcan society similar to what TNG did for the Klingons, and it would get rid of the stupid time-travel stuff. Besides, they came up with it purely as an excuse for getting actors from the other series into guest appearances, I bet.

That said, however, I really dig Trip and the Doctor, Archer’s boy-scout personality is seriously growing on me, and Hoshi, who was giving off huge “annoying character” red flags in the pilot and first hourlong episode, has rapidly become a viable part of the crew.

Most importantly, though, there’s an overall feeling of newness to the exploration that’s been missing since the first season of TOS. Space is big, dangerous, and complicated, and they never know what they’ll run into from day to day. They zip around with the best of intentions, but sometimes they make mistakes, because they don’t know any better. This going-where-no-one-has-gone-before stuff is great, particularly in comparison to the last three shows. VOY was supposed to have that, but they messed it up by immediately giving them a guide to the area in the form of Neelix. “Enterprise” doesn’t just have this quality, it (usually) makes it the core of the show, and that, in my opinion, makes a huge difference in storytelling energy. In “Cold Front,” for example, it was great how the alien captain rolled his eyes when he found out Archer’s crew was just another bunch of space newbies who were running around introducing themselves to everybody. (Imagine walking out to your car in the grocery-store parking lot and having somebody park next to you, jump out, and say, “Hi! I drive a car too!” Hee hee.)

That’s not to say they can’t screw it up. “Breaking the Ice” (the A plot: on the comet; B plot: T’Pol’s secret engagement) had promise, and an interesting if ham-handed literary parallel between the stories, but it didn’t really come through (and as observed, the comet science was bad on multiple levels). “Fortunate Son” had a fascinating setup we haven’t seen before on Trek (the culture of long-haul freighters), but the ending absolutely fell apart.

The show has potential, and so far it’s had a marginally better first season than the other series. The question is whether or not it can rise to the heights of TNG in seasons three to five, or sink to the week-after-week mediocrity that was Voyager. Me, I’m sticking with it for a while yet.

Uh, that’s lipstick. Didn’t know Vulcan women wore lipstick, didja? (or mascara, fake eye lashes, eyeshadow, eyeliner, or boob implants.)

I’m getting a kick out of the show, even with some of the problems discussed above.

Also, I will continue watching to see how much more naked Scott can get :smiley: (it’s been great so far).

Sure they do! Gives 'em something to hang their com badges from when they’re taking a shower!

They don’t hve comm badges yet, Dude. They have those Captain Kirk Cell Phone thingies.

So, where did the pierced navel thing come from? My link to the blue movie page? I’m afraid to look.

Actually, Bakula is the reason I have a hard time with this show. I just don’t buy Bakula as captain material. The guy has zero charisma, zero charm. He does not strike me as a leader of men (and women).

(By the way, does the guy ever smile? He didn’t seem to in the two episodes I managed to watch. Seems to have a worried, “I’m in over my head” look on his face most of the time.)

I like it so far MUCH MUCH MUCH better than the first seasons of the last three series, esp TNG which seemed to to old Star Trek episode rehashes at first. DS-9 took a while to get watchable. Voyager started ok, but was not too great until the 3rd season.

Plus the intro song was playing in my supermarket while I was shopping yesterday- it was a longer version (plus no going to warp sound ending- drat, hearing the “whoooosh” sound in the Giant would have been highly amusing).

I like how alot of the ship’s stuff doesn’t work right all the time- and that the ship has not been taken over ONCE yet. Voyager was taken over so many times they needed a intersteller lojack for the thing.

-me

spoke- I like Bakula and I think he’s captain material, based on other shows I’ve seen him in. But I think your impression bears out what I’ve been saying – that they (writers, directors, whoever) aren’t fleshing out these characters! Archer/Bakula needs to be much more…hmmmm, ballsy, shall we say? He takes too much crap off T’Pol, and doesn’t get assertive with any of the crew. Damn it - I want him for once to say “T’Pol, I’m the captain - you may make recommendations, but I make the decisions, so cut the frickin’ attitude!”(or words to that effect). I said before and I’ll say it again…the only appealing characters are the doc, Trip, and the dog.

spoke- I like Bakula and I think he’s captain material, based on other shows I’ve seen him in. But I think your impression bears out what I’ve been saying – that they (writers, directors, whoever) aren’t fleshing out these characters! Archer/Bakula needs to be much more…hmmmm, ballsy, shall we say? He takes too much crap off T’Pol, and doesn’t get assertive with any of the crew. Damn it - I want him for once to say “T’Pol, I’m the captain - you may make recommendations, but I make the decisions, so cut the frickin’ attitude!”(or words to that effect). I said it before and I’ll say it again…the only appealing characters are the doc, Trip, and the dog.

That was one of the things I liked about Janeway - when she decided a decision needed to be made, she might ask the staff for input, of course, but when it came right down to it? “I’m the captain - get over it.” She once basically told Harry to shut the fuck up and do what she told him to do. Picard was this way, too, but he was stoic all the time, as opposed to just during a crunch. (FTR, I think Sisko apologized too much in this regard.)

Esprix

I remember when he apologized to Garak.
Dental insurance was involved.
^:)^

Kids these days… no memories of the classics.

Hasn’t changed much in thirty years, has it?

T’Pring was a vamp.

Has anyone seen DeForest Kelly’s unplanned scene in Amok Time?

or in 75 for that matter
http://www.sciflicks.com/metropolis/images/metropolis_01.html
I think the sexless/sexy female will always be an archetype much the same as the madonna/whore thing.