Ok these are the three stages? Are these what your talking about?
-Elder covenant…you get a higher cps.
-Revoke elder covenant…you lose 5 percent of you cps.
-Elder Pledge…this is where the wrinklers come in.
Which one do you use? I just assumed that the Elder covenant is the best one due to the higher cps.
You’ve got it backwards. Elder Pledge turns off the Grandmapocalypse, for a short time (a half hour, or eventually an hour with an upgrade). Elder Covenant turns it off indefinitely, but decreases your CPS. Pledges are cheap enough that it is never worth it to use the covenant (except once just before you reset to get the achievement), because the cost of repeatedly buying pledges is less than the amount you lose from the covenant. Revoke Elder Covenant turns it back to the Grandmapocalypse and puts your CPS back to what it should be, but you should never have bought the covenant in the first place.
And this is all assuming that you don’t want to have the grandmapocalypse, but you probably do want it anyway. It gives you wrinklers, which are great for your idle productivity, and it replaces your golden cookies with red cookies. Red cookies can have bad effects, and they never give a Frenzy effect… But they can also give an Elder Frenzy effect, which multiplies all of your production by 666 for twelve seconds. If you get a reindeer during that time (which, as I said, isn’t that rare if you arrange it right), then you get a huge boost of cookies.
Yep, you are right. I just got 3.7 sextillion from a x666 reindeer. I probably get around 3 sextillion in a x777 with a x7 but those are very rare.
I get 397 quin for a x7.
I, uh, kinda sorta cheated without ‘cheating’, per se. A while back, some update fouled up prestige temporarily, and if you happened to refresh and get it before he put the patch in place an hour later, then you got a prompt afterward asking you to put in how many heavenly chips you had.
For a lark, I decided to see what a billion would do.
Apparently, it sets your ‘all time baked cookies’ based on the number you put in, so I’ve got 500 Octillion all time. Well, that was 3210 hours ago. Now I have… 503.864 octillion.
So, yeah, it doesn’t scale super-well. That’s at 410 Cursors, 250 Prisms. I’m missing the 7777 Golden Cookie Achievement, and the latest four ‘reset’ achievements. 64.561 quintillion cookies per second.
I think it is debatable- I seem to get more cookies from a 777 clicking frenzy during a 7x frenzy than I do from a 666x eldeer, though they are fairly comparable.
I don’t advance the grandmacalypse to the final stage until the night before I am going to reset. I only prod my grandmas to “awoken”- that way I get the wrinklers, but also get mostly golden cookies. This results in a lot of 7x frenzies, but what usually happens is a second, “lucky” cookie will appear at the end of them. Right now those are worth ~340 quintillion, plus 2 7x reindeer for another ~70 quintillion, plus the clicking… those add up quickly such that acquiring sextillions isn’t very hard. And you still see the elder frenzies this way, too. And the 777x + 7x frenzies.
I think this way is better. Compare my results to chicagowhitesox1173- he’s about .2 septillion ahead of me, but I only have 12,000 golden cookie clicks compared to his 36,000.
That’ll partly be just because he’s getting more cookie chains than you. And you also have to ask whether you’ve both been running the game continually, and each using your strategy consistently for the whole time. And of course it’ll also depend on your clicking speed in those frenzy-click-frenzies.
I’m pretty sure, though, that all-pledge is better than partial-pocalypse. Getting a red cookie one time in three will drive down the chances that you’ll be in a frenzy when you get a click frenzy, and click frenzies (which is where you’re getting most of your income) don’t benefit at all from having wrinklers. Plus, the other two grandmapocalypse upgrades provide a non-negligible increase to your CPS, which only gets more significant as you get deeper into the building purchases (theoretically, grandmas would eventually be producing more than prisms, though it would take an unrealistic investment before that happened).
Not to be nitpicky, but I do think I’m getting most of my income from wrinklers soaking up frenzy and Elder Frenzy time, plus frenzy lucky cookies. Personally, I’ve been generally consistent with my approach, and the game has been running more or less continuously since… October? WTF am I doing?!?
Anyway, if you count wrinkler profit along with the Eldeer, then yes, I think that is overall worth more than a super 777 frenzy. OTOH, I just got one of those, and clicked out 4.5+ sextillion, not bad, and I do believe more than I’d get from just an Eldeer alone, which is what I was comparing.
I’ll consider your claims. Let me be clear about what you’re doing- full grandmacalypse, yes? But at that point it is all red cookies, no? And if you take the pledges, the wrinklers vanish. And if you take the Covenant, you lose 5% of your production. You’re implying that you’re still getting golden cookies- what am I missing? Golden cookies + wrinklers and luckies is pretty much the point of my approach. The super 777s are just a nice bonus.
No, I’m not getting golden cookies. I’m going full grandmapocalypse, and so getting 100% red cookies. My last post was saying that, between the two choices of full-pledge and hybrid, I think that full-pledge is probably better. In any event, full-pledge is definitely better than Covenant.
I see. So how long to you have to wait between elder frenzies? Seems like they are pretty rare.
5.9% of red cookies are Elder Frenzy, so you get one about every 17 cookies. I don’t know exactly how often I get a reindeer during the Elder Frenzy, but it’s well over half of them (again, you have to manage them: If a cookie shows up and you don’t already have a deer prancing across the screen, wait until you do, or until the cookie is about to disappear, before clicking it-- Once they get synched up, they tend to stay synched).
6am… I hate you so much 
All right. For round numbers, let’s say you get 30 cookies an hour. An elder frenzy provides 666x12 seconds= 7992 production seconds, or 133.2 minutes. A 7x frenzy yields 7x154 seconds= 1078 production seconds, or 17.9 minutes. The deer scale accordingly.
So, if you get 2 elder frenzies an hour, that’s 266.4 production minutes. I’m likely to get 10 7x frenzies and one elder frenzy, or 312 production minutes. I’m ahead already, but there’s more.
-I can get up to twice as many frenzy deer, since the 7x frenzy lasts long enough to catch two apiece.
-You are spending much more time in a cookie clot, though I get some of those too.
-I get those 777x7 clicking frenzies once in a while, and you don’t.
-Most importantly, I get 7xlucky cookies- a lucky cookie during a regular 7x frenzy. I am just shy of 40 quadrillion cookies per second, and those suckers are worth 333 quintillion apiece. They really add up and are pretty common.
It is debatable exactly what composition of cookies I get over an hour, though I remain convinced that I am on the One True Path to maximum cookies. Next time I play cookie clicker through my radio listening hour, I’ll try to keep track and give you better numbers.
I don’t get any frenzy deer. I get elder frenzy deer. Those are worth 95 times as much as your frenzy deer.
Only 42.5x as much if you consider that I am getting twice as many. And, I get ~56% as many Eldeer as you. Plus all those other factors.
All right, I had my Radio Listening Hour and played cookie clicker for an hour, give or take a minute, keeping track of what cookies I got. My estimates were actually pretty close. Here’s the breakdown:
Lucky: 4
x7 Frenzy: 10
x7 Lucky: 5
Elder Frenzy: 1
7x777 clicking frenzy: 1
Cookie Chain: 2
Clot: 3
Ruin: 4
30 cookies in all, alas no Eldeer this time. I felt like I was unlucky to get only 5 7xlucky cookies, it feels like I usually get them more often, but that’s what I got. Anyway, assuming one gets 2 Elder Frenzies per hour at full Grandmocalypse, it does look like this method comes out ahead.
I’m just about to reset, so I’ll see if I can find another hour to do it the other way and see what happens. The next reset is going to run for 40 days and 40 nights- I will get the 200 prisms and 1 septillion in a game achievements, and want a lot of HC’s before I let it run that long- I won’t want to wait another 2 weeks to get back up to where I was before with yet another reset.
I haven’t gotten a heavenly chip in over 30 minutes now. Maybe a sign of the new update? I did read that it might be complete on August 24th.
New update out on Beta.
You only get heavenly chips when you reset. You never get them over time.
Yes, but you can calculate your projected HCs based on the cookies you’d forfeit.
But those calculations would come from a third-party add-on, which would not be aware of any changes in the way they’re calculated. Anyway, a half hour isn’t a log time to go without one, assuming you happened to not get a big bonus (Eldeer or FCF) in it.