I know you probably meant the generic you. Personally, I don’t have to find a way to love my enemy. It’s awfully hard to become my enemy, but once you do, you stay that way. Rape someone, you’re there. There are enough others out there willing to extend an olive branch. I’m not one of them.
Ah, yes, I recalled correctly. From that link:
So, now I have a question or three for Nic2004: Why is it just that one person whom you would slay? What about all the other people listed on the sex offender registries? Do you just not care at all about their victims?
Let’s see, where were we…
I glad you agree. :rolleyes:
I don’t care whether or not he has a chance of being reformed. The one time act is enough, if it was even his first victim to begin with. The system has failed miserably. A wacko like this needs to go away for a long time, or put to death. A second chance makes no sense what so ever. Cities all around this country are all about putting pitt bulls to death, just for biting kids. A little trauma there, but nothing that would affect their adult life too much. But hey, lets roll the dice (you a gambler? hell I am, and I know when the odds are against me) and let Mr Rapist get a second chance.
No. Dead rapists are better than traumatized kids. The traumatization has already occured, which is a damn shame and will likely last a lifetime. Why should the rapist enjoy any life he has left?
Well, since the system failed society as a whole, again, I guess we have to put up with the fucker. If he wants, I’ll pay him to catch bullets and the local range here. Maybe it’ll make him feel like Superman.
I suppose if anybdy wants to keep them around because they’re “human too”, and you believe in “2nd chances” for violent rapists, then I propose an RFID system for children to wear around their wrists, and a 75,000 volt ankle bracelet for rapists to wear at all times. Any close proximity can warn children ahead of time when the fucker drops to the floor for coming way too close. I think that’s fair.
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Not worse.
–Cliffy
So are you going to address my point? You know you can’t kill them, you know they have to be released some day. If you don’t deal with them, they are more likely to re-offend. Why won’t you make any effort to prevent future crimes? Do you care less about the children than you do about your own lust for retribution?
Because they’re monsters, the recidivism rate is about 95% and once you commit that kind of crime, you give up your right to be considered part of the human race.
The victims never get to be whole again. So why should the alien beasts who do that to them get to just wander on out free and clear?
Debt to society does NOT even come close to equalling Debt to humanity. Not even a teeny bit. Just because our justice system hasn’t the foresight to give this crime a life sentence doesnt’ mean that the perpetrators are suddenly “okay” when they get out.
Who wants to work in the same place as a one of these sick twisted psychological abortions? And why should THEY be punished by having to do so?
Well, it certainly isn’t anywhere close to worse, either.
Everybody does know the difference for killing/raping for pleasure, and killing to eradicate the bad seed in the human race, right?
Yes, killing is bad. But there is good and bad in everything, and there is a distinction here. It’s bad to kill, but it’s good to kill those who kill/rape innocent people, without regard for their own feelings, or their victims. And spare the, “well… who decides to kill who” political correctness bullshit that’s often spewed around here. You fuck a child at gunpoint, you’re a worthless piece of shit, and you gotta go. Fuck what your past has done to you, fuck what your family thinks about it, and fuck your remorse. You do something like this, you deserve nothing.
From the Bureau of Let’s Pull Statistics Out Of Our Asses Without Cites.
As was posted earlier: Sexoffender.com link about recidivism likelihood
Another cite heavy on statistics and pretty charts.
Both put the high at around 53% for child molestors, and according to the second cite, that’s over the course of 25 years from original incident, with the chance of recidivism increasing over time.
Looking over the glut of cites one can get by googling “sex offender recidivism rates” seems to put the high in most of the studies at around 50-55%.
95% my ass, CanvasShoes. Granted, 55% is still high when we’re talking about the innocence and safety of children, but that’s 45% rehabilitation, and a far cry from a kneejerk bullshit claim of 95%. I know it’s the Pit, and we all spout off without really giving a fuck for the other side’s argument, but at least acknowledge that there is considerable evidence that says you’re full of shit.
Yeah, but it makes it so much easier to justify an ice pick to the temple. That’s the important thing.
And the sad thing is, this will be used as a cite against the death penalty for child molesters.
Am I the only person who found the OP to completely unbelievable?
ReallY?
OK.
I mean, I don’t enough facts to call it bullshit (and I could be totally wrong), but it sure sounds like bullshit, doesn’t it?
Raped a 7 yr old at gunpoint. That’s pretty unusual. Not the child rape part, sadly, but the ‘at gunpoint’ part.
Hired and kept on while staff is made aware of the conviction and most of them quit.
Parole officer has no problems with proximity to school.
And an unattributed racist quote by the boss to boot.
I’m sorry if I offend but it’s just too much.
You’re right, it will.
53% recidivism over a 25-year period means (optimistically) 47% rehabilitation or (pessimisticly) up to 47% who weren’t caught. Let’s roughly say one half that very well may be perfectly rehabilitated after 25 years out of jail. So there’s one in two people who did something heinous in their youth who are summarily executed by **instead of fulfilling the potential of rehabilitation. One in two people that, instead of fulfilling their sentence from the state and going on to be productive, rehabilitated members of society, are executed by Dante. That’s reasonable. :rolleyes:
You’re right, it will.
53% recidivism over a 25-year period means (optimistically) 47% rehabilitation or (pessimisticly) up to 47% who weren’t caught. Let’s roughly say one half that very well may be perfectly rehabilitated after 25 years out of jail. So there’s one in two people who did something heinous in their youth who are summarily executed instead of fulfilling the potential of rehabilitation. One in two people that, instead of fulfilling their sentence from the state and going on to be productive, rehabilitated members of society, are shot by Dante the vigilante with a heart of gold. That’s reasonable. :rolleyes:
If there’s an outrage here, it’s not really that he was given a job but that he’s walking around free at all. There are people doing mandatory life for selling blow but a drpraved sexual terrorist like this can get out of jail. What a fucked up set of priorities we have.
Please read the current thread going on in GD. As a poster there rightly points out, these are often difficult crimes to prosecute, which, if they go to trial, may rely on the only witnesses being the victims themselves, who may not be able to effectively or reliably communicate what happened. Many, if not most, of such cases are therefore plea-bargained to obtain a conviction. If legislation eventually forces the application of mandatory life sentences, or execution, the chances seem high that this would result in a) fewer convictions for these types of crimes, and b) more murders of children to cover up assaults of this nature.
If you feel this is to some extent an injustice, hey, you may very well be right. You are free to argue for a better way, but if your argument ends up being in favor of a sort of vigilante justice, involving mandatory execution on suspicion only, I do not think it will be a very effective argument.
For the rest of it, I’m sorry, but you are arguing the same appeal to emotion that several other posters have already attempted.
I am pretty forgiving about certain crimes and people paying their societal debt. Thats how it works. No Problem.
Raping a seven year old?
He should be tortured to death slowly, screaming in agony. Some psycho fucks can’t be “repaired”.
The Boogeyman DOES exist.
I wouldn’t mind. I don’t see how working with them punishes me. Working with an incompetent punishes me. As long as he does his job I wouldn’t care why he’s there.
Even if you had knowledge that he was a violent (repeat, violent!) child molester? And if you still feel you wouldn’t care, can you elaborate as to why you wouldn’t care?
So, It wouldn’t bother you a bit to work with a psycho baby raper?
Well, ok, if you want to play the numbers game:
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Before you accuse (e.g.) Dante of being homicidal, perhaps you could ask the question of “how many children would we prevent from becoming victims by executing* child molesters?” Even in your idealized scenario, you have to make the assumption that half are perfectly rehabilitated. You even allow the pessistic outlook that the 47% are simply not caught re-commiting these heinous crimes.
I also question your definition of “productive, rehabilitated members of society” if, as it has been pointed out earlier in this thread, it will require constant supervision to ensure a lack of recidivism.
I have to admit that I don’t understand your math.
*end note for clarification: I do not advocate execution of convicted child molesters for the simple fact that I do not advocate execution. I favor sentences of life imprisonment without parole for child molesters.