JustAnotherGeek, great post. My mind is boggled at those numbers.
Even if you quartered the numbers, (and I’m sure you will get shit over them), that is astounding.
I wouldn’t care because I wouldn’t have any reason to care. If his workplace is next to a school I would be concerned about that. And I wouldn’t want to walk through dark alleyways with him. But just working together? Yeah, whatever. As long as he works well I wouldn’t care.
If sociopaths like yourself promise to never vote again, I’ll buy the guns for you. Then, our flawed system will lock you up with the people you so detest.
What you think is fair sickens me. I’m glad I don’t have to live in your world of never ending death.
What sickens me is your tolerance of these sick bastards.
Never ending death… Got an example of my usage of “never ending death”? You make it sound like I want to kill anybody for any reason. That is completely flawed. If that’s what you think, you’re an asshole.
How in the the fuck can some of you people defend a sick fuck like this guy?
dnooman, you call PA a sociopath? Fucking shit on a stick, where in the hell are you coming from, you fucking moron.
somebody that rapes a seven year old child is the sociopath, and he will continue to do it if he can get away with it.
Some humans are evil beings, can’t be saved, and need to be put down like the monsters they are. How in the fuck can you rehab a sick fuck that rapes seven year old girls?
Ah. Name calling. Always a sign of good debate.
I’m through with both of you.
spooje
That’s an interesting point you raised, especially since I was the first person to respond to the OP. I just read that story and responded with my heart instead of my head.
What struck me funny was that further along the thread, the boss displays bigoted, racist attitudes. At first you’d think the boss is going incredibly out of his way to give this guy a second chance to lead a productive life, etc. However, that does NOT seem like the kind of behavior you’d expect from a bigoted shithead.
Wheelie hasn’t been here since posting #58. I hope he returns with some more explanation of this story.
Sorry for the slight hijack although it was actually returning to the OP. All the Dopers in this thread have raised some interesting issues. It’s almost like “Great Debates” with “R-rated” language.
This is the Pit you dumbfuck.
And even if this story is bullshit, there are plenty of real ones.
Yep. Psycho baby rapers sneak into houses and rape, kill, and sometimes mutilate cute little seven year olds. Sometimes they even kill Mom and Dad.
Want some cites you ignorant asshole?
But hey, calling me a sociopath is perfectly ok, but me calling you an asshole after you put me on the same level as these scum is not ok? :dubious: Both insults are equal on the insult chart, IMO. I don’t see your insult as anyless then ‘asshole’.
I guess we’ll agree to disagree. Nothing you can say, or I can say, will change each others opinions on the subject. Oh well.
I like the idea of a child molester working near a school about as much as I like the idea of an arsonist working near an explosives plant, or an alcoholic working near a distillery. Or a serial car thief working near a car dealership.
Stupid idea, but a number of places are legislating safe zones for children and the places where children go. The key problem is where do we put these people? If we must release them, then they must go, and be, and work, somewhere.
Where?
Okay, Klaatu, I’ll bite: how many times last year did some psycho baby raper sneak into a house, kill Mom and Dad, and mutilate a seven-year-old? And what happened to them?
Nobody likes psycho baby rapers. But a civil society is nice, and we can’t have that if we act out our own twisted violent revenge fantasies every time we can make it semi-palatable by dressing it up as a concern for children. What we have here isn’t a death penalty v. rehabilitation v. life imprisonment debate. It’s rehab v. life term v. the people who want to shoot an unarmed man in a submissive (kneeling) posture in the back of the head against the people who want to torture him to death, with the latter two groups in uneasy alliance. The impulse to violence almost always exists independently of the justification for it, which is why it’s not wise ever to indulge it. The revenge fantasies of the righteous are just as pornographically unhealthy as the rape scenarios they concoct (out of absolutely no actual facts) to justify their violent urges. I wish they would try a different fantasy – maybe one in which they invent a method to heal offenders, or their victims, or both. It’s just as heroic, it’s no less improbable, and if it gets a few minds thinking more constructively about the problem, it may actually do the world’s children some good.
I don’t believe I ever advocated vigilanteism. I’m an advocate of the death penalty for child molesters, and I’ve stated I’d have no problem carrying out the sentence myself.
I’m sorry, but I think a 50% recidivism rate is abhorrent. I wouldn’t buy a toaster if they told me that half of them would break. I think we should say “Well, we’ve looked at the numbers, and it looks like half of you will do this again. So, if you commit this crime, you get the chair. We’ve decided the children are more important than you. Fair warning.”
Your constant and unrelenting psychoanalysis of everyone is incredibly simplistic and tiring. Give it a rest already.
While I’m not an advocate for the Death Penalty as a punishment for any crime, I do think that crimes against children, especially sexual assault have got to be the most despicable crimes a person can commit.
If, in fact, recidivism rates are truly that high for pedophiliac sex offenders, why are they being paroled? The guy in the OP, who raped a 7 year old at gunpoint should have never been released from prison.
If memory serves, a person will serve more time for robbing a bank than for brutally raping a child.
You do realize that once that part of that “fair warning” is the realization that leaving no witnesses reduces the chance of you getting the chance to carry out the sentence yourself?
It’s pretty hard to indentify your molester, if you’re dead.
If I had to choose between a live victim and living scumbag and dead children and maybe catching the scumbag; I prefer the former.
Further we know that a good percentage of child molesters have been molested themselves. Perhaps that 50% who manage to change, are those who due to no fault of their own were turned into monsters and have managed to find their way back?
I don’t pretend to know the answer here, but my gut tells me, once we fry a few of these molesters, we’re going to start finding more and more death kids.
YMMV…of course.
I think my posts have been blended with others that support the death of these animals. I said I would be willing to execute these bastards personally, not check the registry and go to the houses and kill them vigilante style. I believe that’s what is being implied by the connection with the killings of recent news.
Once again. I would throw the switch, give the injection or spring the trap door myself if given the chance to take a sick fucker out and insure the safety of any child that would likely have become his victim if released.
And yes, as many of the sick fucks like this that they can work into my time at the switch. Looking at the numbers given above, if I could take out, oh, say ten in a day, that works out to upwards of 1500 children not becoming statistics. And, anticipating the next question, I would go home to my family, put my child to bed and sleep peacefully.
Any more questions?
Dante, you’ve got a vivid and gruesome imagination, and if I thought you had the temerity to swat a fly, much less act out the sort of murderous impulses you describe, I’d be sure to do whatever you said while trying to manuver you underneath the big net on my living room’s ceiling. But here I am.
You’re not advocating the death penalty. You’re advocating forcing a man to his knees and shooting him in the back of the head, and advertising your personal willingness as a private citizen to do it, because you think the penalties imposed by the law are inadequate. Any vigilantes in the room would be telling you to cool it, save it for the meeting later.
–Fzzzt! BOOM!WHANG! “What happened?” “Daddy shot another toaster!”
50% recidivism is a lousy record, no doubt about that. But it leaves about as much doubt as there is as far as deciding whether the person you off really needs or deserves the Dante treatment. Your easy equating of people to cheap appliances isn’t encouraging, especially because practically anybody can fix a toaster.
If you’re that comfortable playing with percentages, what do you do with the statistics showing that abused children are more likely to commit crimes against children later? Maybe you can have multiple mathematical murders: “Oscar, you’ve only got a fifty percent chance of being a decent human being again, so you’re gone. Suzy and Max, we know you’re just innocent kids, but hey, each of you could have multiple victims later. It averages out to more than one apiece, so (you just have to trust us on this) the cost-effective thing to do is – just close your eyes and tell God you’re sorry in advance, okay?”
I’m not a psychoanalyst. But sometimes simplistic is what’s called for, depending on the psyche involved. Show me something more complex than “Dante KILL evil guys who hurt nice kids!” Better yet, show a qualified professional.
Yes. You are a hardass, we get that. But given the facts that (a) the law generally does not allow the death penalty for child rape, and (b)most offenders will eventually be let out of prison; Do you think there would be a lower recidivism rate if we make their lives on the outside a living hell, or if we try to rehabilitate them to productive lives? Saying “I would rather kill them” is not a realistic answer, nor does it protect children from future crimes.
Thought I did answer it. I won’t make the effort, partially because I know that there are people that will. But I’m not going to even pretend that the convict is a human being, and I’m sure as hell not going to do anything to smooth his transition back into society.
His life should not be made a living hell. He should have no life. I owe him nothing. If a man killed several people, ate part of them, buried the rest under the house and some fucked up legal wrangling got him out some how after ten years in prison, would you think “Well, the law/system has said they’ve paid their debt, lets take them a casserole” when they move into the house next to yours. There have always been actions taken by courts and legal loopholes that put people back on the street. Often times at a terrible price.
Your argument is that “Well, they’re here. You gotta live with it and go along with it and make it as easy to reintegrate as possible and if you don’t he’ll strike again and it will be you’re fault”. Bullshit. If the system had done the right thing to begin with and not half-assed measures due to overtaxed Law Enforcement and Public Prosecutors and overcrowded prisons I would not be in a position to making the best of a child rapist at a business next to a school. If the system is not able to guarantee the safety of children from a 50% recurrence rate then put them in the ground and I will know where they are all the time, without paying an overtaxed Parole Officer to watch his every move or a housing arrangement with A/C and color TV with three hots and a cot.