So mundane -- Mommy issues. Got 'em?

I saw your currently bumped thread and astro’s posts led me to find this. I do not have children and am not a mom but I am probably a lot more like your mom than I am you. I just wanted to reassure you that your mother does actually love you and want the best for you and all this stuff you are having problems with… well as you said earlier it’s basically a bad mother/daughter combination and no one’s fault.

It just really saddens me cause I can see this from your mother’s point of view, but I can also see how it obviously makes you feel, and I can’t actually give you any real advice as such cause truthfully I have annoyed good sensitive friends in real life like your mother has, but being a bit boorish have not been bothered, unlike how I would be if they were family, it’s just a shame how this is ending up and honestly I could see this happening to me in the future but from the other side if I had kids like you. I just hope in some way this post will help when I say I understanding people like your mother she is trying to do her best and is not malfunctional. Please don’t blame anything in future on her like you have been doing recently, just blame it on fate, and maybe that will help. Maybe? :frowning:

I cannot make much of this. I’ve parsed it several times. What are you trying to say here? What is her mother’s point of view? What does ‘kids like you’ mean?

Care to make another attempt? Maybe it’s the grammar or punctuation, or maybe it’s just me. I’d love to know what you were actually trying to communicate here.

My friends mother was about to visit. My friend confessed she was not looking forward to it. She thought I’d think her a terrible person. I wheedled out of her that her mother was a mean, selfish alcoholic bitch.

It all went much better after that. Minimum collateral damage was our war cry as we stocked her gallery with cases of beer. I’m not ashamed to say we just made sure there was enough beer to get her to bed early. We’ve been able to out do each other periodically with our mother horror stories.

I can’t express to you how glad I was that my mother said she couldn’t remember much about it at all.

Goodness, I remember this thread. My mother died a few months after I posted in it, and I’d gladly have her back, problems and all. I’m made most sad by the fact that she never got closure or experienced healing from the psychological injuries her own mother inflicted on her, even though her own mother died 20 years ago.

Your mom loves you, and in her way she’s just trying to toughen you up.

Make you less dependant on her emotionally.

Because one day she won’t be around for you to unload on her, and you’ll have to face the world with all of its difficult issues yourself.

She wants her grandaughter to have someone to look after her, even if things get tough.

She’s just trying to be a good parent.

Tough love in practice.

Is this a joke, or did you not read the thread?

Another point of view: My mother once confessed that she and my father probably shouldn’t have had me. I was an only child and I was wanted (they tried for 4 years) but in the end, he was a truly shitty father and she was always torn between the two of us.
Our society places an inordinate pressure on woman to reproduce and it was much worse for my mother (I’m 57). If you didn’t have kids, there was something very wrong with you. This is not a justification for you mother (or mine or anybody else’s) being a shit but it is a fact. Hell, peope sometimes treat me like I’m defective because I didn’t procreate. Oddly enough, my husband never gets the same questions or the sympathetic looks or the annoying comments that I’ve missed something very special.

More issues than National Geographic.

My mother has cluster B personality disorder, predominantly narcissistic, with a side order of histrionic. Life with her was a freakin’ nightmare. She also developed normal pressure hyrocephalus about 10~15 years ago and now has lewey body dementia. It hasn’t tempered her behaviour at all.

She was constantly ANGRY. The least little thing would trigger a RAGE tantrum, everyone in the house was terrified of her. She was also a compulsive liar, she used to tell people her husband (my Dad) had a terrible temper, was always shouting at her, and wouldn’t give her any money while she was trying to feed and clothe three children.

She didn’t tolerate illness or injury. Dad came home early from work one afternoon and more or less collapsed in the kitchen - he managed to sit down at the table, and she left him sitting there for at least half an hour before she finally rang a doctor. I found out years later he’d had a heart attack. Bit like that episode of Desperate Housewives where Bree tidies the house before calling an ambulance when her husband has a heart attack.

I had a really bad flu two years ago, just before it hit me, I’d gone shopping and stocked up on bread, crisps (potato chips) and milk. No idea what possessed me to do so, but it was a damn good job I had, because I was too out of it with a fever to cook or anything. Mother never rang anyone to tell them I was ill and we needed help. I was sick for about 10 weeks or so, and she never told anyone. I told my brother when he popped round for a visit and he went shopping for us - she threw a tantrum at me for it. I also told a cousin who visited, and she too did some shopping for us. Mother kept telling her not to go shopping for us “she’ll (ie me) go herself!”

One of my brothers has been married 3 times. I’m not allowed to tell anyone that. I think people have noticed that he’s had 3 different wives though. My other brother has a child, he’s not -and never was- married to the mother. I’m not allowed to tell people that either. He’s had a succession of girlfriends since he broke up with the mother of his child, but I’m not supposed to tell people that either.

My Dad nearly died from jaundice years ago, he got sick, but couldn’t say anything to mother (her usual response to being told “I don’t feel well” was to pah and tell whomever to take two aspirin, or shut up because she wasn’t feeling well herself, and her illness was much much worse that whatever trifling condition you were suffering from was), so she didn’t alert anyone for several weeks. When he finally was admitted to hospital we were told he wasn’t going to last the night (he did survive that bout and lived several years). Mother’s excuse was “Well I didn’t think it was anything serious, he barely said a word about it!” The whites of his eyes were almost orange by the time she called a doctor, but she “hadn’t noticed there was anything wrong with him”.

I nearly died myself once after having a severe reaction to some pain medication I’d been given, all right nearly died is a slight exaggeration, but I did pass out and she left me lying on the floor till I came round. When I came to she was sitting on the couch laughing at “the funny colour you went before you fell down hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha”. I didn’t realise I’d had a reaction to the meds and took another dose (I was in a LOT of pain), and it happened again. She found that even funnier than the previous ‘faint’, because this time I was lying on the couch and my head had lolled back [so I was essentially choking on my tongue], and I’d been “making funny snorting noises heeheeheeheeheeheeheehee”.

I went to a funeral a few years ago and when I came back, she came rushing out to meet me to enquire “was anyone asking where I was??!!”
“no”
“are you sure??!!”
“I’m positive”
“Do you mean to tell me <name of deceased’s mother> didn’t ask why I wasn’t at the funeral???!!”
“no, she didn’t”
Infuriated she tried to find out if anyone had asked after her, she named about 30 people who’d likely attended the funeral and not a-one had asked about her. So then she decided the funeral had been brought to a standstill so that everyone could admire the wreath she’d sent. It hadn’t. I believe the expression is incandescent with rage
My mother hasn’t spoken to the decedent’s mother since.

All my life she’s called me a liar, to the point where I wasn’t allowed to speak to anyone, ever, because anything I said was a lie. I was also persistently accused of cheating when I was at school. I was “far too stupid” to have scored 8 out of 10 in a test and I’d only gotten that high of a mark by copying someone else. Oh and I’m a thief. I showed her a new coat that I’d bought and she wanted to know where I’d stolen it from. I told her I hadn’t stolen it, so she wanted to know where the hell I’d gotten the money from? Duh I have a job. She practically spat on me (her usual response to being proven wrong). Going shopping with her was a nightmare, if I looked at something for too long she’d start shrieking that “stealing was against the law” and I’d have to leave the shop before someone called security on me.

The one time in my life that I had a boyfriend, I had to see him in secret and never let him meet her (something he found most odd), when she found out that I was seeing a boy she went ballistic and stopped me from getting out of the house in time to meet him. He refused to believe that I was late because of her - he couldn’t understand how in the name of g-d my mother had stopped me getting out of the house. Well see, she locked one door, and sat in front of the other one, so my only option would have been to climb out a window (and in those days the windows didn’t open far enough to climb out of). He was convinced I was trying to break up with him and faking this bullshit about my mother instead of being honest about it. I’d a friend at the time who’d seen my mother behaving badly towards me, but she just bit her lip and wouldn’t say anything in my defence.

When I hadn’t made any effort to meet my BF in a while mother made a point of discussing it with me (ie she mocked me), I told her he’d broken up with me and she laughed herself sick at me.

I’ve since realised that the “friend” I mentioned has narcissistic tendencies herself and she was only too happy for my BF to dump me, as it meant I’d have to spend more time with her. She’s so deranged she threatened to commit suicide if I ever fell out with her.

Nope no joke, and I have read the thread.

Just trying to make her feel better.

**Mommy issues. Got 'em? **

My Mother is completely incapable of conversation of any sort that doesn’t include a criticism. To give you an idea, when she came to visit Celtling, who was the sweetest, calmest, smilingest little thing you could ever imagine, my Mother said “I never thought you’d have happy baby!” This is her idea of a compliment.

Another time she asked about sizing because she was making Celtling a dress. I told her what size to make it, but asked her to make it a bit long, because Celtling has always been tall and slender, so needed longer leggings and skirts for her size. The next time she visited she looked Celtling up and down appraisingly and said (in front of Celtling and her Paternal Grandma) “You’re right, she is short waisted.” No Mom, she’s normal and tall.

And that’s the other things she does, she loves to put her vicious insults into somebody else’s mouth. So she’ll take what you said, which may have been anything from a compliment, to a loving acknowledgement of a gentle fault, and turn it into some hideous barb, then “repeat” it to whomever in order to create maximum drama.

I haven’t spoken to her in several months, and haven’t missed it a once!

Interesting! I’ve been waiting to hear if anyone empathizes more with my mom than with me. And I’ve oftened tried to imagine what it would be like if our roles were reversed – if she was a sensitive, affectionate mom and I was the pragmatic, unemotional daughter. (To be truthful, I’m petrified that will happen with me and my daughter, since I give her SOOOO many hugs and kisses!)

I know for a fact that my mother loves me. My therapist (oh, yes, I started seeing a therapist after all this and it’s been very enlightening!) told me about an interesting concept: the language of love. Everyone has a different “language” of love that they speak. For some, they speak with deeds, meaning they show people how much they love them by performing deeds or acts. Others speak through physical touch (hugs and kisses).

My mom’s language of love is giving gifts. That’s how she shows she loves you, or how she tries to express affection. My language of love is words of kindness and encouragement. So while I’m trying to *tell *me mom I love her, she’s showering me with gifts.

She’s welcome to keep loving me in any way she knows how, because it’s better than her hating me, right? But I’ve been so burned that I’m now extrememly nervous about accepting gifts from her – I think she thinks she can act however she wants, and if she hurts someones feelings, then a nice gift should clear all that up! She sent me a $25 check for my birthday, and while I’ve thanked her for it, I have yet to cash it. I don’t want her money, because it always comes with strongs attached. I think I’ll just deposit it into baby Smaje’s college account.

All I can say, Simple Linctus, is if you do have kids, love them as best you can. :slight_smile:

Mother problems never seem to stop. Mine moved back to town after 17 years of living someplace else and expected us all to visit her once a week or more. And call, dammit, why didn’t we call her every day like she did to her Mom?

Well, maybe because we got lives?

A couple of years ago when I was working from home and not in a good place in my life. She managed to almost convince me that I had done something awful. Because I was spiraling into depression and because she sounded so sure that I was the culprit, I hit bottom (thinking “why, what, when?”)and finally picked up the phone and called First Call for Help.

They got me in to see a therapist right away. He got my head on straight faster than you can say “bojangles” and things have been better ever since. I keep my perspective.

Mom has terminal cancer so I do spend time with her, helping her and listening to her. I have learned to speak up when she hurts me, is rude to me, or is just plain wrongheaded about my life. Sometimes, I just say “I have to go now” and leave or get off the phone.

I am saddened by our lack of a good relationship. But my brothers are aware of her issues with me and are supportive of me.

Are you me? No, you can’t be because I’m 51, but everything you wrote is true. Thank goodness my parents divorced when I was young.

Lots of parenting threads these days. I see yours is an older one but I think you need to remove yourself emotionally away from her being able to hurt your feelings. Easier said than done, I know. My mother is very insensitive to others but she cried at a drop of a hat. Fortunately, I have a sister to talk to any time Mother does anything mean or stupid. This way when it is happening, I think, I can’t wait to text Sis about this. They always begin; “Guess what YOUR mother said now?” It really takes the pressure off. Do you have a sib to commiserate with?

The latest mam drama:

My husband’s sister and her husband (C+R) are getting a divorce. At a recent picnic for my family (my husband didn’t attend, he had a prior commitment, smart move) my mother asked how my husband’s family was doing. I said C+R were getting a divorce. She said (in front of everyone at the table), “Oh, I thought you and J would be divorced before C+R.”

Seriously? And she wonders why I never call…

Yes. What’s especially confusing is, as my mom was, when they are both proud and jealous at the same time. Makes for some really conflicting behavior. So they brag and snipe, sometimes in the same breath.

I, like many women, share a lot of personality traits with my mother. For a while I was afraid of turning into her. It was a shocking moment when I realized - in many ways, I am my mother; the woman she could have been if she were happy.

Aw… I do have an older sister, and we used to be able to commiserate like that. She’s very much like my mom, in that she is pragmatic and not emotional in the way I am. I always looked up to her, although she’s also very much a bully. But we always had each other’s backs.

But when my mom and I had our falling out last year, my sister was genuinely confused about why I was so upset. She’s of the mind that I should just be able to shrug off my mom’s actions. She told me I was suffering from post-partum depression, hung up the phone on me, and hasn’t spoken to me in nearly a year.

I just sent her a birthday card and told her I hoped we could begin speaking again soon. We’ll see.

I posted a thread about this a while back, I’ll see if I can find it and link to it…

Here’s a link to my thread about my sister and the post-partum issue. Happy reading!