Not to mention Ms. Ventress, who certainly seems to be Dooku’s apprentice. The best I can work out is that Dooku becomes Sidios’ new apprentice after Maul dies, and General Grevious and Ventress are never officially Sith: they are just sort of waiting in the wings.
Well the way it is supposed to work is the new apprentice kills the old apprentice, or the apprentice kills the master and takes up a new apprentice.
Remember Darth Maul is dead. Darth Saruman is the apprentice now. The robot is not a Sith, at least it doesn’t seem like it. He just wields lightsabers. I assume that when Vader comes into being, he’ll have to kill Saruman to assume his rightful place. Remember in RotJ, Palpatine tells Luke to strike down Vader and join Palpy, and in ESB, Vader tells Luke to join him and then they will rule the galaxy (implying they both knock off Palpy together).
The whole “there are only two Sith” thing doesn’t really add up. In Episode I you have Darth Sidious and Darth Maul, but Maul gets killed. Then suddenly you have Tyrannus in Episode II, but where did he come from? By any measure, he’s much more powerful than Maul was, which means he must have been training for a long time before we ever see him, which means there were at least three Sith at once.
I think y’all are reading that comment incorrectly. Yoda didn’t mean, “at any one time, there are only two Sith in all of existence.” Rather, he meant, “Where there’s one, there’s always another,” or, “These guys travel in pairs.” At least, that’s the way I read it. Seriously, how much of a threat could the Sith be if there were only two of them in the galaxy?
It’s stated explicitly (I forget where) that there are only ever two Sith at any one time. However, the Sith are merely one order of dark force users. There are other orders out there, as well as fallen Jedi, other individuals dabbling in the dark side for their own reasons, and whole races that are naturally powerful in the dark side of the force. I suspect that Sidious has files on a whole bunch of prospective new apprentices, and taps new ones when his old one fails him somehow.
I will likely see it. I tend to see about two movies a year, and general prefer things with a lot of action and special effects. If I want just plot and character, I turn to books.
That said, if anything of the following are in the movie, I will likely ask George for my money back:[ul][li]Characters spend two hours trying to argue to the audience that mitochlorians are somehow scientifically plausible.[/li][li]Little Han Solo interact with little Leia and little Luke – or little Han Solo getting pushed in the mud by little Greedo.[/li][li]Jar Jar singlehandedly killing Darth Vadar, with Vadar’s subsequent presence in the next three movies never explained.[/li][li]Luke using the force to travel back in time and save his father “before it’s too late.”[/li][li]More Padmé/Anakin romance* – frankly, at this point, a steamy shower scene between Yoda and Palpatine would be less noxious.[/li][li]Two hours of subliminal messages for video games.[/li][li]Little Jake Lloyd waking up in his bedroom in suburban Los Angeles – episodes 1 through 3 were his dream. He looks outside his window and sees a star fall, and sparkle on its way down. He falls back asleep, starts dreaming, and episode 4 begins.[/ul][/li]
*I’ve heard it suggested that the romance scenes were deliberately badly done to make fun of other Hollywood movies. I’m not entirely convinced, but if so, it was still clumsy – too subtle to make its point.
If I remember right from the book I skimmed that discusses this, Sidious recruited Dooku after Maul was killed (though he had already had his eye on him before that). Remember that there are, like, ten years between Ep1 and Ep2. And Dooku became disallusioned with the Jedi long before Sidious tapped him.
Possible spoiler about something Dooku did, discussed in the books, that wasn’t explicitly mentioned in a movie as far as I know, but may be:
Also note that Master Sifo Dyas was killed long before Ep2. That was Dooku, proving his mettle to Sidious by killing his old friend, with the side effect that they got to take over the clone production process.
Dooku is probably the best realized Sith we see outside of the ultimate in Sidious. Dooku, unlike Maul or Ventress or other apprentice Sith, is beyond anger, able to tap into the cool evil of the dark side without being clouded by rage. While apparently anger is a great way to turn someone, its not necessarily the full and ultimate realization of the Dark Side.
I’m no Star Wars expert, but maybe at the time Tyrannus was merely a “Sith Intern,” and not considered a “true” Sith. His only hopes of ascention at the time were to either (a) wait for Maul to get killed, or (b) kill Maul himself.
Very strange! Every time I try to read this sentence, I get as far as “at this point”, and then something in my brain shuts down and I can’t comprehend the words that follow. Has someone invented a meme-trojan?
You’re probably too excited hoping that you, Itchy & Malla are featured in Ep3. 
I haven’t read any post in this thread, except for the OP, for fear of seeing ANY sort of information about Episode III. I don’t want any hype, negativity, or information of any sort clouding my judgment of this movie.
You can damn sure bet I’m going to be there! And I already know I’m going to see it twice. I’ll see it first with friends, then again with my oldest daughter if I consider it “safe” for her (she’s only 8).
Huh.
I always figured that “Master Sifo Dyas” was just some aliens getting the name of “Master Sidious” wrong.
I mean, if you’re right, it doesn’t explain why the Republic was ordering an army, does it?
-Joe
I thought that Dooku was Sifo Dyas, and he somehow faked his death when he went over to the Dark Side. It would be pretty easy to do. Just arrange for a “navigational failure” to cause your ship to fall into a gas giant or something, and let everybody think you were on it at the time.
Also, don’t forget that someone erased the cloners’ planet from the Jedi database. That means that someone within the Jedi was conspiring with Palpatine. It’s possible that it was Anakin, but I can’t see him doing anything to actively hurt the Jedi at that point. Also, the clones required 10 years to mature, IIRC, so that means that Palpatine ordered them immediately after he became Chancellor. This would be the logical time to after the database, so the Jedi don’t stumble onto the operation by accident. It had to have been Sifo Dyas who tampered with the database, and I think he then arranged for his “death,” and then he became Darth Tyrannus, and later he took the name Count Dooku when he began to stir up the Seperatists.
That would be kind of hard, Diceman, since it was known that Dooku was a Jedi, and that Sifo Dyas was killed.
Otherwise, if Dooku was Sifo Dyas, and Obi-Wan found out Sifo Dyas ordered the clones, all he’d have to do is say-DOOKU ORDERED THE CLONES!!!
Now, if you read Dark Rendevous and Labrynth of Evil:
Dooku was the one who erased Kamino. Sifo Dyas had expressed concern for the Republic, and contacted Kamino about possibly ordered an army, just in case. Dooku, however, before he left the order, had Dyas killed and erased Kamino, to keep the army a secret. Then HE recruited Jango Fett to be the prototype. I’m guessing that Sifo Dyas was a Qui-Gon type-a rebel, but generally a good guy at heart.
[quote[His only hopes of ascention at the time were to either (a) wait for Maul to get killed, or (b) kill Maul himself.[/quote]
Again, I don’t know the exact timeline, but I got the sense that Dooku was recruited after Maul died. Dooku could have wiped the floor with Maul if that was all there is too it: he was a VERY powerful Jedi, and an even more powerful Dark Force practitioner. The only people in the cannon series that compare to him in power are Sidious/Palp, possibly Mace Windu (he is many times referenced as among the best fighters, an his single-handed destruction of entire army in the Clone Wars cartoon is probably a good guide to what he can really do, even without a lightsaber), Yoda, and perhaps Darth Vader (though only post ascension, unless he duels Dooku and wins in Ep3). He easily kicks Anakin’s ass at least twice in the extended universe, and in the books he even seems to believe that he could have taken Yoda, if getting the Death Star plans to Sidious hadn’t been more important. A fully trained Obi-Wan, who killed Maul as only a padwan, is barely even a sprint in the park for Dooku. Maul would have gone done like a tonof bricks if Dooku had desired it.
I guess I forgot about that part. I hope they talk about Sifo Dyas a bit more in Ep III. I’m curious to know exactly what he was up to. I’m not going to give the EU stuff much credit because it’s not canon, or at best semi-canon. I still suspect that Sifo Dyas ordered the clones on Palpatine’s orders, and Dooku went out and recruited Jango Fett to be the prototype.
Well, according to the books, he was a good guy, and generally the books don’t outright contradict the movies if they can help it. He was a good guy, and Dooku had him killed like swine.
A bit off topic. I don’t know if this has been asked and/or answered, but anyone think that Obi-wan may be the twins’ father?
I mean, Anakin’s pretty damn tall, isn’t he?
And Luke… well… couldn’t even qualify to be a Stormtrooper…
Luke takes after his mother 
I get the impression that Jedis are celibate monks who shun such notions as love although obviously it isn’t a rule that must be obeyed since Anakin is a father. In one of the books, didnt Luke marry the Emperor’s personal assasin? And Leia is married with children, although I’m not sure whether she’s a Jedi or not. I dont read all the books.