Well you won’t know if you have one you want to talk to until you actually try talking to her.
I haven’t actually met any of them in real life, but I kind of picture them as the Plain Jane ugly friend who get’s pissed off because none of the guys will talk to them and then labels them as “dumb jerks” to make themselves feel superior.
Anyhow, I don’t really see practicing your “game” as being particularly scumbaggy. It’s like this. You want to meet a nice girl, right? So how are you going to meet her if you don’t know how to approach and attract her? Forget that. How about just going to a party or a bar where you don’t know anyone and not feeling stupid and isolated because you don’t know anyone?
I think women like to live in this fantasy world where “fate” or some bullshit brings two people together, they feel some “chemistry” and then “happily ever after” just happens. The problem is that they will generally fall for the scumbag guy who has that routine down pat over the shy awkward guy. Ergo, we are forced to practice our game craft.
You’ve obviously not met any Doper females in real life. I have. Plain? Haw haw!
IME, all it really takes is having something interesting to say and looking like you didn’t just roll out of bed in the morning. You can succeed by playing games, for sure… but if you really want to be Don Juan Reborn, a mixture of naughty and nice will work just fine.
I met my husband through my friends, and I know many other couple who also came together in the same way. Having a social network helps you find single men, that has nothing to do with fate.
One of the most distasteful aspects of the seduction community’s “game” is the idea of “negs.” If a man puts me down when he doesn’t even know me, that tells me that he either has no respect for me or no respect for women. I have never felt even remotely attracted to men like that. Hey, if it gets you laid on a regular basis then good for you, but think about the women you’re attracting and whether you really want to be attracting women who are turned on by being put down.
I’m not a person with a significant amount of “game” by any stretch of the imagination but I’ve had plenty of worthwhile relationships, and I’ll simply say that it’s very, very important not to be some obsequious little puppy if you’re looking to attract someone. I think I’m more likeable when I’m not afraid to be my opinionated, sarcastic self. Although that may not mean “cynically” looking for something to be negative about, I’ve found that being willing to disagree with women I’m trying to date has been a pretty useful strategy.
Also, like it or not, men have a larger knowledge base in attracting women than women.
They aren’t putdowns. A girl is not going to get turned on if you tell her she has a fat ass and a head like a gorilla. She’ll just get pissed and walk away.
It seems like it’s more like taking what they view as one of their strengths and somehow turning it around so that it puts them on the defensive.
Anyhow, that suduction community stuff is BS. First of all, they always talk about being “assholes” but then watch some of their stuff on Youtube. All they are doing is just walking up to girls and being nice and charming. 90% of it is having the confidence to actually go up to strangers and the rest is being comfortible enough to hold a conversation with them.
Here’s Richard Feynman’s take on “game.” Interesting stuff. Surely you wouldn’t say that Feynman was a stupid man.
You’re telling me that you don’t enjoy a little deprecating humor with your friends? 
Do you really prefer men who are obsequious little puppies? That sounds pretty boring to me.
Where have you been, man? Last night I had a dream that you could time travel using a magic typewriter. No, I swear to God I’m serious. And Captain Picard was in it too.
Minnesota. Just got back a couple days ago. Actually, my dream last night was about flying back to Minnesota and getting a job moving packages around in a shipping warehouse in Edina. We were required to wear Pittsburgh Steelers gear while moving the packages around. Weird shit.
The asshole part is basically this, they want sex, not a relationship. They have no problem using every trick in the book to get a woman in bed including feigning longer term interests.
After spending part of the evening spinning tales of trust, romance, and relationships, the response from the lady is rarely positive when you pack up and leave once you are done.
Some guys do this sure, but not all people. The pick-up artists I knew never lied to a girl. They didn’t have to. Both they and the women they picked up knew beforehand that it was about sex. Women aren’t etheral wisps of gossamer strands waiting to be worshipped and doted upon by adoring men bearing flowers and scents. Not all women, anyway. Lots of women like sex as much as guys do. They just don’t want to have sex with boring guys.
Game is all about advertising yourself as interesting enough to take home. It’s not about tricking the woman into thinking you want to marry her or telling her what she wants to hear just because she wants to hear it. It’s about being your best, most interesting self at the time, winning her interest–if not necessarily her heart, and having a great time, which let’s not forget is why both you both likely came to the club in the first place.
I’m no proponent of the seduction community myself, but let’s be fair: some of the PUA folks (Carlos Xuma springs to mind) teach techniques geared toward starting long-term relationships, too. In fact, according to the Wikipedia research I did yesterday, Xuma’s program seems to emphasize personal development, moral character and high self-esteem as the building blocks for both one-night stands and long-term relationships.
I read the Wiki on Xuma. His philosophy seems a bit more legit than Mystery and Neil Strauss and those guys. Basically, I have always felt that you become more attractive to women by making yourself a more attractive person - education, physical fitness, pursuing a career you feel passionate about, good relationship with family, a circle of close friends and acquaintances, basically just being fun and interesting to be around. Unlike those guys who have to slip into their “pickup persona”, it’s a more relaxed, healthy and sustainable lifestyle.
Guys like Mystery are dorks (which he freely admits) who through almost nerdlike obsessive study have created these elaborate alter egos. They may get mad pussy, but it seems like an awful lot of work to perform what should be a relatively natural act.