So Will Smith punched Chris Rock at the Oscars last night

This. Smith calculated that Rock was to be the demonstration for all the people who laughed at him and his wife for the past year or so. He quietly walked up, and escalation beyond what Rock could ever predict, suckered him (in front of international TV), and quickly went back back to his seat before anyone knew what he was planning. A few curses as a soundbyte and he’s home free.

He even got to gather sympathy from the other celebs and make a tearful acceptance speech. Pretty slick.

ETA: Oh, not staged. Just that Smith knew what he could do to intimidate, send a message, and stayed within those privileged boundaries. Smith wanted to send a message to everyone. Rock was the “whipping boy”

I don’t think it was staged but if I was making that argument I’d point to how relatively eloquent Smith’s supposedly improvised acceptance/ faux apology speech was. He really is a good actor

I’m surprised you guys are seriously considering this was staged. What does Will Smith have to gain by doing this? This isn’t some D list young actor who wants to try to make an impression, this is one of the most famous people in the world. He has also tried to cultivate a wholesome image in his career, not as some dude that’s going to assault people. There’s no way Smith decides to risk his legacy and career for, what, to get in the news on the night where he won the best actor oscar? To boost oscar ratings?

Plus, the dude is screaming “fuck” on national TV (it was censored in the US, but he knew he was on camera and had to think it might go through) when he wouldn’t even swear in his rap songs. That’s so outside the image he wants to project that I can’t find a plausible reason for him to want to stage this.

Additionally, Chris Rocks’ shock reads as genuine to me. Also, if he was going to do some sort of play along acting, he would’ve acted like the slap was a way bigger deal than the way he tanked it.

Plus… all the publicists immediately rushed to his side to do damage control. I don’t think they would be clever enough to think to simulate that if they were all in on it and planned it all out.

There’s no way this was fake and pre-planned.

Oh, this hasn’t ended. The industry made a big song and dance over making Weinstein a pariah, and so many people coming forward to claim they didn’t know (even though Weinstein’s proclivity to rape was a running joke for a couple of decades) and you still find people claiming that what Bill Cosby admitted to doing wasn’t so bad. Sean Penn has mostly managed to keep his “issues” under wraps thanks to a really great publicist and the propensity of the industry to not look too deep into an “acclaimed actor”, and there are many others who use their influence to keep victims and observers quiet.

As for Chris Rock, so many people have wanted to slap him that what Will Smith did wasn’t so much personal pique over a tasteless, unfunny joke about his wife’s medical condition as a collective catharsis. At least it was a moment of genuine spontaneity in an otherwise dull evening of industry self-congratulation and promotion.

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“He’s been under a lot of stress lately. Really, it’s my fault for provoking him.”

Isn’t this the kind of thing said by domestic abuse victims about their abusers? When did “he’s been under a lot of stress lately” become an acceptable justification/excuse for violent behavior, whether domestic or public?

I’ll repeat. This was definitely not staged. Just that Smith is a person who extremely cultivates his image. He’s done so since he was a kid. The man knows what to say and how to say it. I’m sure he’s been sizing people up for years due to him/his relationship being a common joke in the public.

But he doesn’t slap 50 cent for openly clowning him and spreading his private texts. However he knew what he could do to Chris Rock though. That’s kinda how power works. And Smith is very good at projecting his image.

I read an article somewhere that speculated that Smith responded as he did not because he was offended by the joke but because he saw how hurt his wife was after the fact. Smith didn’t hit Rock because he was mad about the joke; he hit him because he was mad at himself for laughing along at something that really devastated his wife.

Staged no. I do however think that Will Smith performed throughout.

To the joke initially: performance smile small laugh

Then wife shaking her head declaring herself offended across the line.

Performance for his wife’s benefit of the part of “manning up” and not letting that small man say that about her. Slap.

But yeah a slap. Not punching him in the face. A punk ass old time French gentleman’s slap. One could even imagine him taking off a white glove first.

A slap of someone who was of much less power in many ways and in no position to fight back. In a room with lots of people primed to toady to you as the power couple. And as above few big lovers of Chris Rock.

Not preplanned staged but very performative.

You’re right, it is the kind of thing you might hear in a domestic abuse situation, but the dynamic isn’t the same here and I don’t think Will Smith has a known history of violence. At least if there are any stories of Will being physically or mentally abusive on set then I haven’t heard it. I realize I’m in the minority here in thinking there are mitigating circumstances here.

We all laughed when Buzz Aldrin decked Bart Sibrel, right? Or was it just me?

Me neither. Certainly we must hold our opinions with the idea that Will Smith has no known history of abuse. This we can agree on.

We all laughed when Buzz Aldrin decked Bart Sibrel, right?

I don’t think Smith was confronted by a moon nut in the street who denied that Smith acted in Independence Day. They both choose violence, but the contexts are widely different.

I didn’t so much laugh as cheer. Despite our modern sensibilities against public violence, there are times when a good slap or a solid punch is called for, especially when the recipient just doesn’t know when to shut his fucking mouth.

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Serkis. He’s an actor, mostly known for his motion capture work as Gollum in Lord of the Rings, King Kong, Caesar in the new Planet of the Apes films and so on. He does live action too.

In this particular case, it would appear so. But I was speaking more generally of people posting on the internet that Rock “deserved it” on some level for his comments or that they would have done the same thing. At best, they are just posturing and talking juvenile or at worst they are violent a-holes.

It sort of begs the question, if Will Smith is the sort of person who would run onstage to strike a comedian because he doesn’t like a joke about his wife, are we to also believe he wouldn’t slap Jada Smith if provoked on a particularly bad day?

I can’t speak for Will Smith but the times I would use force against my wife are none, up to and possibly including her attempting to badly injure me. The times I would use force against other people to defend her are infinitely more numerous.

It was a promotion for Everybody Hates Chris 2.

But would you jump onstage in front of millions of people because you thought a comedian insulted your wife?

When it comes down to the individual person the answer might be: “Well, could I get away with it?”

Could we agree that the gentlemanly thing and the Hollywood Power Play would have been to take his wife’s hand and walk out, explain the reason for offense, and not return until an apology was made?

Will Smith has no reason to be afraid of Chris Rock. I think he is however afraid of his wife.

Seriously this had the flavor of his performing out of fear of how she’d react if he just sat there without defending her. Fear of a what kind of man are you beratement.

That would make for a terrible YouTube clip.

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Ricky Gervais, years ago, said this about jokes: “Offence often occurs when people mistake the subject of a joke with the actual target. They’re not always the same.”

If we apply that to Chris Rock’s joke, what was the subject and what was the target? Here’s the joke from a transcript: “Jada. I love you. GI Jane 2. Can’t wait to see it.”

I’m not that great at breaking down grammar, so looking for help.