I don’t know; I wasn’t there. I do, however, know there are a lot of ways DNA could be transferred to the baton which don’t involve stuffing it up someone’s ass. Unless they can somehow prove it’s ass DNA. :rolleyes:
Well, if it’s significantly tainted with fecal matter, I’d say that’s a pretty good (though certainly not infalliable) indicator of how it got there.
Are you a cop or a criminal? This statement makes me think that you’re both.
This isn’t merry old England. CCTVs are few and far between in subway stations. As for witnesses, depending on time and station, they might be few and far between. A very brief scan of the articles only yielded the locational information of “Brooklyn”.
Sure, but since the article doesn’t mention that one way or the other, I’m not going to make assumptions merely because DNA was found on it.
Kids that make claims like that are a pain in the ass.
Yes, which is why I mentioned him in my post.
Yes, sometimes they are scared for a reason. I am one the most mistrustful people I know when it comes to NYPD cops, but it just seems to me that, whatever else might happen, you only incite them – as in the example – to do worse things to you than they might have possibly intended if you run or resist. However, I will concede there might be times when one is in such a situation one might feel running is less dangerious.
It took place at the Prospect Park subway station. Which is off the green area (the park) on this map:
http://www.mta.info/nyct/maps/submap.htm
This article (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/10/nyregion/10officers.html?em) says the station was crowded.
Let’s be fair—where fecal matter on a cop’s baton is involved, it’s important to rule out “personal use.”
This. This is another good point in the kid’s favor.
If it were I’d be kicking your ass! (<– very obscure Undeclared reference.)
I’ve been spending too much time in cabs and in London. And I actually believed a ways back that cameras would be priority number one (I think they’ve opted for the just-as-good ‘Check random ladies’ purses during rush hour’).
The presumption of innocence applies. That’s why they’re going through procedural channels to indict the cops.
The presumption of innocence does not, however, put any constraint on public opinion.
I don’t like to blame folks before all of the facts are revealed, but so far they don’t look good for the cop. Cops don’t just testify against one of their own unless there’s a damn good reason. Secondly, the guy was in the hospital for a few days for “anal assault.” So somebody must have anally assaulted him. So either the story happened as the kid claimed, or he got anally assaulted and then tried to become cop bait by lighting a joint in front of some cops, or he got busted by some cops, and then anally assaulted himself. That neighborhood isn’t exactly the kind of place where you get anally assaulted by random strangers either.
So I’m going to apply Occam’s razor here and say that 2 and 2 make 4. A guy was in the hospital for anal assault after a run-in with the cops who he claimed sodomized him with a baton, which has the victim’s DNA on it. I think they obviously deserve a right to a fair trial, but if I were a betting man, I’d bet that the kid is telling the truth. I don’t think people get anally assaulted and find the police to frame, nor do I think that people go off and get themselves purposefully and painfully sodomized after a police beating.
And finally buttonjockey308 if you are a cop, and you think it’s okay to “tune up” people on the street you’re a fucking goon.
I think the correct term is JAFWAB (Just Another Felon With A Badge). Cops have no more right to administer a “street adjustment” or “tune-up” than any other citizen. In fact they have less right, they are supposed to uphold the law in a professional manner. BJ hopefully you will be on the loosing end of a USC 1983 lawsuit someday, it is a serious violation of federal law when anyone deprives another of their civil rights under color of authority which is what a “street adjustment” or “tune up” is. If you are a cop and you do that which you alluded to, you are the same as the cop in the OP. Assaulting a citizen, whether you stick your night stick up his ass or just “tune him up” with it, is still assault. It doesn’t make you a tough cop it just makes you a corrupt criminal cop and a scumbag. I suspect you are just talking smack on the internet though…
Paging Autolycus… Oh, wait, that was a ladle…
Life is all sunshine and roses for you people isn’t it? We could fill books with everything you and the rest of the hand-wringers around here DON’T know about dealing with the worst of society.
Don’t you dare assume that you have any idea what I mean when I use that jargon. It’s my fault for assuming people would understand what that means. My career has spanned 18 years in every manner of public service. I’ve never had a complaint once. NEVER. Your assumption that I’m a felon with a badge is not only wrong, it’s offensive and assumes that because some jack-hole from the NYPD stuck a baton up some guy’s ass, that every cop does that. When the tools of the trade are brought into play it’s always serious, it’s always a solemn thing and it’s only for the time it takes to safely subdue a suspect. Cops like the one in the OP are the problem.
Facts are though that you don’t strap on a badge and belt and just go around beating on people. However, there are times when it’s necessary and you’re allowed, unlike the average citizen and because of the training you’ve received to escalate above the typical use-of-force continuum for the protection of both the criminal AND yourself. People make the horribly bad decision to fight with the police all the time and those people need to be corrected, contained and subdued. Sometimes repeatedly before they submit. There is a line that’s blurry and difficult not to cross, but good cops stay on the right side of it for the majority of their careers. Fighting hurts. No one really wants to HAVE to do it, sometimes though, it’s what’s necessary to ensure your safety as an officer and the safety of the public.
OK, so fight some ignorance here. Is a “street adjustment” or “tune up” just police slang for subduing a violent suspect, or does it mean applying additional violence as a means of punishment when a suspect fights you? Is a “street adjustment” a means of containment or correction?
Oh of course, the age-old, you people don’t understand defense.
Believe it or not, people other than cops, also have jobs that have them dealing with the worst of society on a regular basis. Only we aren’t allowed to go around cracking skulls with a baton. You might be surprised a what you can do without injuring people.
If you’ve ever hit someone with your baton while they were restrained you’re the worst fucking scum of the earth in my opinion. You’re beyond low and you’re also why most people consider cops to be pieces of shit. Luckily in this day and age we are able to catch most cops in the act because everyone has a camera of some sort.
You better not be doing something you wouldn’t mind the entire world seeing, is all I can tell you.
ETA: Response to Buttonjockey-
First, did you notice the words I underlined? I emphasized IF you are a cop AND you participate in unlawful assaults then you are a criminal. IF you are not involved my comments did not apply.
Second, don’t assume you know about random people on the internet. I made it clear that I know many really good tough cops, many of my friends are cops. I know that cops have a hard job to do and that they have to deal with some real losers. I know many of them are losers because I represent them but I also see the worst the police force has to offer. I have come to learn that the rate of criminal cops is about the same as the rate of criminals in any other group. Cops are not special, there are good ones and there are bad ones. But the bad cops offend me more than street thugs because they hide behind self righteousness and a badge. Many of them have no problem lying under oath and my best days in court involve proving they are lying, it does not happen often because it is hard to prove, but it does happen. I have also seen cops destroy the prosecutor’s case because they refused to lie.
If you say that you are not a bad cop and that when you alluded to street adjustments and tune ups that you were referring to lawful exercise of force then I have no reason not to take you at your word.
Maybe you should try another job.
No. It isn’t. We live in a city where people are fucked in the ass by police officers using their batons. You call that sunshine and roses, do you?
Couldn’t agree more.
This is what will be so entirely sad, horrifying- yet fascinating. The attorneys for the cops will prove beyond any doubt that this ( possibly ) pot-smoking man’s anus was such a deep threat to the safety of the officers and the safety of the public, that they did what they had to do.
As I said, no doubt these officers will walk, be promoted, and live to ass-fuck another day. Kind of sad, isn’t it?